S2EP90. How she started making drawings w/ clay, post partum depression and moving to a himalayan village w/ Elodie Alexandre

E lodie Alexandre is a ceramic artist and illustrator based in Himachal Pradesh, India. Originally from France, she lived for many years in the UK where she joined Cardiff School of Art and Design in Wales in 2008. She holds a BA and an MA in Ceramics from Cardiff Metropolitan University, UK.

Her work was selected for the British Ceramics Biennial in 2011 and for the Biennial of Ceramics in Belgium in 2015. Further to her MA, her degree show installation received a Rising Stars award and was subsequently exhibited in and around London in 2014. Two years later, she was artist in residence at the Jakarta Contemporary Ceramics Biennale, Indonesia. In 2018, she was selected to participate in the first edition of the Indian Ceramics Triennale in Jaipur, India.

STATEMENT

Élodie Alexandre makes illustrative constructions and multi-layered pieces to create visual spaces of conversation that engage viewers in an intriguing, poetic world of personal images. The pieces explore the two and three dimensional and create an evocative and colourful universe which mixes the familiar and the unfamiliar, the personal and the universal. Narrative in nature, her work is inspired by feelings of displacement, memories of places and everyday-life anecdotes associated with objects and visuals. More recently, she started exploring feminist considerations in her practice.

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AUTOMATED TRANSCRIPTS

00:00.00
charukaarora
Hi Elodie how are you welcome to the ask to hot podcast.

00:02.32
Elodie
Ha Hi I’m very well thank you I’m really happy to be here with you.

00:17.00
charukaarora
Thank you so much. Thank you for let’s hear review. Everybody would you like to introduce yourself and so you on what you do everyone let me to the None

00:36.44
Elodie
So okay, sure so my name is ellodi I’m an artist I work mostly with ceramics but not only I also do a lot of drawing I am french and I live in India now. So I live in the himalayas in Himma al pradesh

01:15.40
charukaarora
Yeah, and have a beautiful family here as well and you have a wonderful beautiful studio I lot riitchy as well as it was it? yeah.

01:31.26
Elodie
Yes, so yes, so we work we have set up a studio me and my husband My husband Rayes is also a ceramic artist. So both of us we Co- run this ah studio called Utterly Lamitti Atier is French for it means.

01:51.44
charukaarora
Allow.

02:03.28
charukaarora
Okay, okay.

02:09.94
Elodie
Studio is’s a French word and lamitti it means Red Cla it min No soal mean also means ah precious. So it’s precious clay Red clay and so we have a small ah production of ceramic tablewa that we collaborate on.

02:30.10
charukaarora
Oh wow.

02:46.94
charukaarora
So yep.

02:48.46
Elodie
But we are each artist so we each also have our own practice as artists.

02:59.28
charukaarora
Classes how long have you been living in Amallia.

03:05.30
Elodie
So we moved when my daughter was born so almost five years ago now and before that we were in Delhi. Ah so yeah yeah I lived in Delhi for some time. Yes, so Ray yeah.

03:19.80
charukaarora
Um, I never were you before this? Oh well Oh how long.

03:42.98
Elodie
Was working in a school for really long a versant valley school in Vasan Kun yeah he was art teacher there and so after we met I lived in Delhi for some time we got married in Delhi. Also yes.

03:49.22
charukaarora
Oh Yeah I asked who I. Okay, so that nice so it I make something and I’m very interested in. Also we will definitely go into your work and which I ask will love and so glad I found you while are this.

04:19.94
Elodie
Yes, yes.

04:38.26
Elodie
Yes, thank you.

04:44.54
charukaarora
Integrat and I was just I love to just lay of your words you know it felt like um and when I for your work. It felt mentally felt to me like um, drawing cultures like these felt like little drawings. A come to life and.

05:07.56
Elodie
Yes, yes.

05:19.20
charukaarora
Why I going through your work and your websiteed I saw the same terminology again was like oh my God Yes that that’s exactly what it like you know that that what I was um, feeling at this moment I saw you but so do we don’t about that and but do you want to share you talking about of your book.

05:41.40
Elodie
Okay.

05:57.40
charukaarora
And you that like every face like know I feel like this this travel of France to liia nigar see inia especially living in the ma I this music studio and all of that I just wonder to sat listening to how um when did you come here. In fact, the video visit your work or also had a lot of impact of um, your life video now I didn’t want you to your.

06:38.56
Elodie
Yes, so sure. So I I grew up in France and I yeah I I went to school in France ah I did a None set of studies in France I actually went to university to study english literature.

07:13.40
charukaarora
Okay, yeah, okay, hi.

07:15.66
Elodie
So that was in France and then I become a translator english to french so that studies led me to move to the Uk where I worked as a translator for a few years and.

07:42.60
charukaarora
Okay.

07:45.80
Elodie
After a few years of working as a translator I was working in ah in an ah organization and it was a lovely team of international colleagues that was really nice but my work started to be a bit less fulfilling in attempts that it was no longer very creative. So. Um, I started to look out for ways to fulfill that creativity and I started to take ceramics classes in a community center. You know, ah adult learning center. So one year I did None class a weekly class.

08:44.68
charukaarora
Yeah.

08:56.32
charukaarora
Okay.

08:57.28
Elodie
The next year I thought I want to take two classes a week right? I went more and more and I had a lovely teacher there she is an artist and she told me oh you know I can imagine you would have done really well at art school in art school and the moment she said me it all.

09:06.44
charukaarora
Okay.

09:34.84
Elodie
Came back in almost like a flash because when I was eighteen years old it was a dream I had I had this dream that I I would like to go to art school after finishing my yeah, you know my what equivalent of None grade. Um, and I was doing very well academically so I was pushed by.

09:51.18
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

10:13.20
charukaarora
Yeah.

10:14.80
Elodie
Family and chose to actually continue more on the academic routes and so I dropped the idea of going to the art school and I did studies and I almost had forgotten until she said that this teacher I was in my late 20 s by then.

10:41.48
charukaarora
How were you by then? oh Wow. Okay.

10:52.38
Elodie
Like 28 yeah Yeah so after she said that she it happened that where I lived or I lived in cardiff and it happened that in cardiff. There is a very good school for ceramics in the cardiff school of art and design. There’s a very strong ceramics department.

11:08.40
charukaarora
Okay.

11:28.66
Elodie
I didn’t know anything about it but she introduced to me this idea and then she helped me put together a portfolio and I applied for the course the B I applied it I went to the interview with my little portfolio of drawings and few cultures that I had made.

11:36.30
charukaarora
Okay, house here How there.

12:06.00
Elodie
And a letter of recommendation from this teacher and she’s cool and I went there I didn’t know what to expect? They asked me a few questions and and after a while they made me wait outside the room and after a while they called me back and they said you know we’d like to offer you a space on the program. Ha.

12:42.42
charukaarora
But um.

12:44.14
Elodie
I thought it was the most beautiful day of my life. Ah, and I was so happy and excited that I could not I was supposed to take the bus back home because I lived a bit far away I was so full of adrenaling I guess I had to walk back so I walked the whole like 1 hour back home. That’s so exciting.

13:16.34
charukaarora
Oh.

13:23.00
Elodie
Yeah, so then I started on the b a it was 3 years with really it was a very very good course with wonderful teachers. Ah and during the first year of the b a reyez came from India to do his master’s attachment.

13:56.20
charukaarora
Okay, school. Yeah yeah.

13:58.30
Elodie
So he was in another department he was with the masters and I was in the b a but obviously it’s a small department so we met there and then I went to India for the first time I had never thought in my life going to India ever like I had not I knew.

14:23.18
charukaarora
Did you have like did your red 5 to be or did you like any fascination at all before you met him.

14:38.20
Elodie
Nothing at all I hadn’t ah no clue but I didn’t know anything about the country I think my knowledge was just limited to going maybe a few times to an Indian restaurant. That’s all I I knew nothing. Yeah.

15:02.72
charukaarora
This.

15:08.00
Elodie
And then I went for the None time to India it was a but big bigger shock for me? Culturally yeah so that was very interesting but also as an artist when you go to India you’re also bombarded with so much visuals. There was so much things you have never seen in your life and.

15:19.10
charukaarora
Yes, absolutely.

15:39.80
charukaarora
Yes.

15:46.56
Elodie
So that was very full feelinging. Also so I had ah my first trip to India was a lot of it was like a roller coaster like one day I was feeling None trip was but well I think three weeks are months yeah

15:57.76
charukaarora
Um, long but you but okay and be zaha What places did you visit.

16:18.42
Elodie
So I arrived he was working in Delhi. So I stayed in delhi for a week and he had a lot of work at the time so I was going out and doing visits on my own but often I was crying at the end of the day because it was.

16:52.86
charukaarora
Yeah, yes, yes, yeah, no, no ask. But.

16:50.00
Elodie
Too many events would happen to me taking the Rick show I was I mean it was very difficult for me now I’m fine but initially it was quite a challenge. Yeah, and then we went to roger 10 and that was ah like super because i.

17:22.30
charukaarora
Oh that What has been a trick for you.

17:28.12
Elodie
Yeah, and I think also as a french person Rajasthan is your kind of image of India that you have in your mind you think in the eyes like everywhere in India is like rajastan obviously India is so complex and varied but we we grow up with some cliches. No so yeah, but.

17:38.26
charukaarora
Um, yes, all like that you know? Yeah yeah, we wanna do.

18:03.74
Elodie
Was beautiful to see all these palaces and yeah, that was amazing. Yeah, it’s such a.

18:13.40
charukaarora
Um, you repeat your world. Ah your life and you have you to fact on your work today. You think the your life in India has to use your fact on your work today.

18:21.00
Elodie
Say again see.

18:33.82
Elodie
Ah, it changed the way that I view colors I don’t I don’t see colors the same way I used to I used to think that certain colors have to go with other colors and in India I’ve seen such clashes of colors now I know.

18:44.48
charukaarora
Um, so stay.

19:03.88
charukaarora
Yeah.

19:07.66
Elodie
Everything can go together. So I approach color very differently I am not I don’t overthink its colors I and also nowadays Yes, it still has a big big impact because initially I was interested in objects and I referenced.

19:18.66
charukaarora
She yeah.

19:38.80
charukaarora
Um, yeah.

19:44.66
Elodie
Some objects from India or some some differences you know between countries like how. Um, for example, 1 Very simple example is ah initially I was very fascinated with the water tanks. The syntax tanks big growing up in Europe you never see water where it’s storelled where it comes from you just open it up.

20:09.80
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

20:23.20
charukaarora
I.

20:24.28
Elodie
And you know it’s going to come. You never think it’s not going to come So so I got fascinated with all these kind of differences like of domestic environment and nowadays I’m working on different projects. But.

20:44.24
charukaarora
Yeah.

20:58.32
Elodie
Something that is influencing me is ah I was you know all the in the hindu religion. How rituals rituals are very visible how all these um like you find lots of temples even like.

21:21.72
charukaarora
Yeah.

21:38.60
Elodie
Around the tree or say it’s very visible in the landscape Urban and and event rural and the fact that rituals are also very visible and accessible um has a sort of influence right now for me to look at.

21:45.86
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

22:11.76
charukaarora
Yeah.

22:16.12
Elodie
Ah, to look at the divine not in a religious way more like in a maybe closer to something Pagan but I am very influenced by all the rituals that I can come across because we live in a small village and sometimes you find for example on the way to somewhere you’ll find.

22:30.82
charukaarora
Yeah.

22:43.74
charukaarora
Yeah.

22:54.18
Elodie
There’s been some puja or something on the road itself like ah like with strands of wheat or grass or using a lot of the natural things So that’s right at the moment I am in bit influenced by that.

22:59.52
charukaarora
Um, like yes. Yeah, yeah, so and what drug you do Himallia then.

23:34.44
Elodie
So this village where we live is quite a special village is called andreta. Ah, it’s near pallapu and yeah, very close to pal lamppo maybe 20 minutes away from palapu.

23:46.72
charukaarora
Okay, excuse me father cold. Okay.

24:08.14
Elodie
So in this village, there’s an artist colony that was funded a long time ago by a lady called Nora Richards she was ah an irish woman and it was at the time of the the british she had come with her husband who was posted in India.

24:27.80
charukaarora
Okay, okay.

24:43.98
Elodie
Um I think actually at the time they were in Lahore because it was before partition. Yeah, so ah, after partition she had to leave and go back to she had to go back to the Uk and but India.

24:52.18
charukaarora
Yeah, we.

25:18.36
charukaarora
Okay.

25:15.10
Elodie
Very much in her heart I think India made a very deep impression on her. So I think after her husband passed away I think she decided to return to India. And eventually she was given some land a bigger state of land I think it was an old tea estate and um, she so she took this land and eventually she so she made a house for herself. It was in this village andreta. Ah.

25:53.00
charukaarora
Okay.

26:17.40
Elodie
Ah, little by little she also gifted the villager some land and she decided she wanted. She was ah she was ah in in draw into Drama She was a playwright she was writing a play. Um, so she was an artist and she wanted to bring an artist community.

26:22.82
charukaarora
As.

26:38.80
charukaarora
Oh wow. Okay together.

26:56.36
Elodie
I think she wanted to recreate what she had known at the time when she was in Lahore so she got this she founded like an art community and she gifted lens to that artist could come and make their studio.

27:03.68
charukaarora
Yes.

27:31.40
Elodie
And work from there. So at the time when she was alive she invited ah sobaing. Do you know she he was the painter for the Si guru so in Andreta We have a small museum called Sobain Gallery. There’s a gallery there. It’s mo more? Yes, um.

27:43.36
charukaarora
Um, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, oh world a village a village having gathering in yet such a victim.

28:06.46
Elodie
Yeah, so she also invited the who was there ah she invited ah guru Charan Singh who was the he’s considered as the first studiopata of India. Um.

28:35.96
charukaarora
Okay.

28:40.90
Elodie
And also other people like ah Fria Bedi frida bedi with Kaia Bedi’s mother ah ramkummar um and busy san and other artists so they started this but it it was a long time ago. So.

28:47.14
charukaarora
Focus. Yeah.

29:04.80
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

29:18.16
charukaarora
Yeah.

29:15.92
Elodie
Facilities were not the same as today you know it was difficult to build and so they used to come but for maybe short times summer time and but for for gurucharancing the potter. His son came also and said ah settled here with his wife so it’s a menacing and meing they are still in andreta and they found it the andreta potre which is a ah very old poty in india they do very nice sleep work decoration table wear and.

29:58.70
charukaarora
Target sorry.

30:25.92
Elodie
Their presence and the poetryt brought a lot of people also to andreta and nowadays we do so the place where we are me andreas. It’s ah it’s on the land of this society so the woodland society which was created by Nora Richard that’s irishly

30:30.70
charukaarora
Usually yeah and.

30:59.42
charukaarora
Yes, around.

31:04.24
Elodie
So not as a kind of ah, almost like a new generation coming and building and making new new places of arts. So that’s where why does so rees came to andreta initially attended a ah workshop at the Andreta potre.

31:22.34
charukaarora
Um, oh wow.

31:37.28
charukaarora
Okay.

31:39.24
Elodie
And he loved it so much like many people who come Toreta therefore in love with the place and then he managed to get this house where we are now and later on when we moved then we made the studio So that’s where we are.

31:47.54
charukaarora
So. Um, yeah. Wow, That’s a new half. You only convince me to come here understand now I have to yes sad you are not alone I mean like me to help me the community. The um others are other people.

32:29.60
Elodie
Yes, yes, this couple Minnie and mary they have been very inspirational for lots of people to come also because they are they have lived here for so long and they have never so you know there. Even they stay in the wintertime in the monsoon day is for them. It’s not a secondary home. It’s their home here. So that’s inspired us that we could also come and make a home and there are other artists here. Painters printmakers musicians.

33:12.42
charukaarora
Um, yeah, so.

33:31.54
charukaarora
Um, oh oh my God I have to come now I did no about you? Oh my. But thank you so much for shaating. Okay and something now. Um, how.

33:38.88
Elodie
Yeah, yes, yes, it’s a ah good I’m glad so.

34:10.63
charukaarora
Now you also like um, new work in your um, thats say or utilities when you satggerated and then start figuring out like hard and you move to India and it is not 1 of the easiest countries likely to be an artist. Especially I mean so.

34:31.83
Elodie
Yeah.

34:49.10
charukaarora
The time that you were doing it single way different. How is your experience being um as an artist working and you know with taking your workout there in media and your thought when you thought like okay there was this was 1 thing when you probably you wanted to be not as well.

34:49.74
Elodie
No.

35:28.88
charukaarora
That’s what you’re doing for but then also so you’re taking you a plenty of of gold cra life making proudard of professionion alive out of it. How was that for you.

35:42.46
Elodie
Yeah, so I think initially you know when you’re an artist I think it’s not easy to support yourself just through your art so you got to do something else So when we so before Riyas was a teacher in the school and I was doing a bit of freelancing.

35:59.84
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

36:20.34
Elodie
But when we arrived in andreta we thought let’s start to collaborate on this production. Not it’s not really a pleasure. It’s a very small production sort of tableware. Um, so that’s over the years it’s ah gaining popularity and.

36:50.72
charukaarora
Um, yeah.

36:55.10
Elodie
Now it’s generating enough income that we can support ourselves like this and now we are trying to achieve that balance where you know our ah Pottery is also supporting our artwork because art work sell or not sell. It’s really, you never? It’s not very easy to plan that. So.

37:12.70
charukaarora
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

37:33.98
Elodie
Ah, we that’s how like for us the pot that we make together. It’s ah a way to earn a living and and and our artwork feeds us soul mola. Its like that. Yeah, we enjoy working on the table where there’s no question about that. But.

37:47.22
charukaarora
Yeah. Yes, usually no absolute.

38:11.16
Elodie
But it’s ah it stays in the area of the decorative and the functional and when you are an artist you aspire to more because you have other things you want to express that through your art. So with that’s yeah.

38:18.28
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah, it is my expense yes, that I think this is such a good take because I think a lot of others I um, we’re always given we share this this one picture all that your. I think we all have so so many different ways of dealing with how we want our life to protect but or how we want our lives to look like and I think this is such a good balance where you create your practice in a way that it it gives you safety and you create a safe for yourself and it also has. For your expression and being yourself and creating only you for yourself and then saving water data and I think this is very common with Cel because is a lot of people like with ceremony people um expect functionality. But I think a lot of um.

39:41.84
Elodie
Yes, you’re right? yes.

40:08.38
charukaarora
Of I’ve had 10 like you know, especially I think um when people are not exposed to a lot of ideas. Um, it’s it’s challenging for a lot of people to go beyond that bound and then take click a toll of their own expression.

40:41.82
Elodie
You mean to say some people always say players are functional. This is what you’re saying.

40:53.58
charukaarora
Yeah I mean um, a lot of people where we see India to see like you know, um play forward so table. It’s easier that way like you know I’m not by easy I Don’t mean it’s easy, but it still seems practical people and adaptable. You can make table wears you can own bed etc like that.

41:08.88
Elodie
Yes, yes.

41:32.74
charukaarora
But you know, um that provides safety in the sense of you know that it has a functionality has a state in the market but at not world cra The expression of what we want to see and it does if it was it doesn’t work that does not matter.

42:00.72
Elodie
Yeah I Think what’s nice with what we’ve ah achieved so far is that we place the material for everything we are doing so clear we are using to make this tableable wear and clay. We are also using in our artwork. So obviously you have to.

42:17.40
charukaarora
That Is. Space. Yeah.

42:34.38
Elodie
Ah, you have to explain to people that they are not the same because also when you price things they are going to be on very different price ranges right? But it’s so you but people understand once you start explaining. Yes, it’s ah yeah.

42:49.40
charukaarora
Um, yes, yeah, yeah, how is it being Google do it.

43:11.80
Elodie
And go and go no no, it’s this fine.

43:21.66
charukaarora
How I you student live on doing the work is where you used to be show your work but is yeah, access is amazing which is like in art that is one of the leading authentic in India and Southic Asia how is that explain.

43:33.42
Elodie
Yes, of the 2 expand the expense of the art fair. It was fantastic I was so so over when by the response also and so.

43:49.58
charukaarora
Yes.

44:10.18
Elodie
So grateful that I could display there thanks to Galeriski um, and she sunnita she had a lot of she gave a lot of trust because I had never shown with her before so and and.

44:19.18
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

44:37.22
charukaarora
Yeah.

44:44.16
Elodie
I Was very lucky that the world was also at the the in the space was the beginning of the fair. So I think it’s also people would see it with a fresh mind because there’s so much to see in the face very overwhelming and also I got to hear from the.

44:50.86
charukaarora
Um, and I get energy. Yeah yeah, yeah skin. Yes, yes.

45:22.60
Elodie
The staff who who worked at the booth you know were staying their own day throughout the day they got to tell it they shared with me a few stories of how some of the people had responded with the work and it was very very touching because some women were talking about.

45:26.98
charukaarora
Yeah.

45:57.46
charukaarora
Yes, yes, would you like to talk about that body of work I was going through your work on your affair and for you the um, your old culture figure I Think that’s what you that’s what it name. Um you.

45:55.88
Elodie
What was postpartum depression for him for the first time they had never expressed that so it’s very very touching to know this.

46:28.38
Elodie
Yes, this mural. Yeah, at the fair this mural is called Postpartum it talks about the postpart. Ah sorry.

46:37.00
charukaarora
I yeah you know I did the post button so I seen the post post touch from India india on your website I saw about like the ones that you told I feel that in person I love that you.

47:01.80
Elodie
Ah, yes.

47:15.80
charukaarora
How we have in here. But I all that I wanted to be talk about the sha from your first start of the choose for possible.

47:13.18
Elodie
Yes, yes.

47:25.98
Elodie
Okay, okay, so the one the is the work referring to those buildings? Yes, okay so that was ah the first one of the None

47:43.40
charukaarora
Um, yes, yes, yes yes I did that for the call I know.

48:01.10
Elodie
Project I made because it was for my graduation in school so I was very influenced by yeah, having traveled to India as I said you know this? Ah initially the the how it came through in my work was the the colors and.

48:20.10
charukaarora
Scan this image.

48:36.86
Elodie
Trying to express how I felt in the city with so many different architecture that there would be so different. So um I think the concept of living in a colony that was very foreign to me so that made an impact on me and like I said before the water tanks some of the.

48:56.74
charukaarora
And.

49:14.32
Elodie
The objects that you see in daily life were very new to me so in this work I try I made a ah small series of abstract buildings colorful buildings which could be viewed from all the sites. So all the sides were different and so you can walk around and it kind of changes as.

49:32.80
charukaarora
Um, yeah.

49:52.10
Elodie
The same way as when you walk around and it changes around you. So yes, that’s ah, that’s a very I Still very like it I like this work still very much. Ah, yeah, and it’s interesting I Don’t think I could do it again because I think I made it with these fresh eyes of.

50:10.34
charukaarora
Yeah I love that work.

50:25.12
charukaarora
Yes, yeah, and.

50:28.12
Elodie
Being in in there for the None time and now that I’m more used to it I think I would be maybe isolating some elements. Not not try to make a landscape. Maybe.

50:42.24
charukaarora
You Yeah another series that um I saw your post part is let’s let’s talk about that and then you talk about the Kup materials I Love both of them. We came short, you show the first part on series where they are. You’ve been showing that for. So.

51:00.90
Elodie
Okay, okay.

51:24.28
charukaarora
Sheing I thinkel scenarios so do want talk about what that Cd is especially when it had something to do with you know, having say post fathering aside but I really want to know enjoy how that works has up life and what but that.

51:25.18
Elodie
Yes, that’s correct.

51:43.34
Elodie
Yes, yes. So How is that work as what can you just say again. The end of the question come to life. Okay.

51:59.22
charukaarora
Like how that work and how bad work has come to life and what really I think your experiences that brought that it What made you ah making work and so know those emotions that are coming with.

52:20.44
Elodie
Yes, yes, it’s ah actually it’s very interesting process and now that there’s been a gap in time I think it’s also easier for me to talk about the process. So ah I five years ago I gave birth to my daughter.

52:43.20
charukaarora
Um, yeah.

52:59.60
charukaarora
Version. Yes.

52:57.16
Elodie
My lovely daughter and the actual ah process of giving birth was very difficult. It was quite ah, something quite traumatic as an experience and subsequently I also developed symptoms of postpartum depression. So after two or three months after she was born I started to have these symptoms and already the body has gone through a lot and it’s so much change is bringing to your life and I was going through a lot of difficulty inside I think what’s very interesting with this postpartum is that on the outside you might yeah.

53:45.80
charukaarora
Yeah.

54:09.30
charukaarora
Look yeah.

54:10.42
Elodie
Nobody could have noticed anything even me I look at the pictures from that time and I just see a very happy led on the pictures and but I knew that inside I was really struggling. So ah, physically, it’s a struggle to recover from a childbirth. And also mentally because I had to deal with some of the traumatic scenes from the giving births and also new symptoms that were emerging and so I had no choice but to try to help myself on my own because I was.

54:52.60
charukaarora
Face.

55:18.78
charukaarora
Type in.

55:23.40
Elodie
My daughter was born in France and I was going to travel with her back to India at three months of age she she was so I actually went to a doctor thinking I could get some medical help. But when you travel they they don’t really want to give you this. Ah.

55:35.66
charukaarora
So kids.

56:00.48
charukaarora
I Just yes.

56:01.80
Elodie
Antidepressants because the dosage have to be refined. You have to have a continuity with a practitioner so they said to me we can’t It’s not good to. We can’t give you any medication so I tried to then help myself so I use visualization I used.

56:40.96
charukaarora
So okay.

56:37.48
Elodie
Also making Mandalas Ah so it sounds a bit like a cliche because you hear very often. Mandala is very healing. Okay I used to think okay fine I don’t know what that means but something called me to draw Mandalas and actually.

56:53.56
charukaarora
Yes.

57:12.22
Elodie
It was one of the initially the helpful things I did because no matter how I felt ah when I was drawing the Mandaas I At the end I would say I would see Okay, it. Yeah. You Everything is very confused and you’re going through a lot of difficulty but the mandala is showing that deep down you are Fine. So I I hung to that hope that deep down I am fine because some of the symptoms I had I thought I was going to.

58:01.60
charukaarora
Yeah.

58:21.26
charukaarora
Yes, yeah.

58:19.36
Elodie
I was going crazy. Basically I thought that and because of the symptoms being not easy to talk about I also I was feeling a lot of shame I was I was hesitant to talk about it and eventually I also gathered the courage to put some few keywords on Google.

58:36.54
charukaarora
Yes.

58:58.80
Elodie
And I found ah a book that could help me a lot I also went huh So the book is called dropping the babies and other scary thoughts. Ah and it is with this. Ah.

59:05.10
charukaarora
With with that switch was that book.

59:25.24
charukaarora
Okay.

59:32.00
Elodie
My postpartum depression Symptom was very specific. It’s called scary thoughts or unwanted thoughts and it’s its you have these moments and usually it’s when you are with the baby. So say you’re carrying the baby in your arm and you.

59:42.74
charukaarora
Okay.

01:00:03.62
Elodie
You see an image in your head that you’re going to harm the baby. So it’s very disturbing. So for example I would walk with her in my arm and we would pass next to a bookshelf and in my mind I was imagining I was like going to like hit her.

01:00:11.60
charukaarora
My goal.

01:00:28.76
charukaarora
Again. So resource.

01:00:38.78
Elodie
You know, hit her head on the bookshelf so in ah the 1 doctor explained to me that although these thoughts are very scary. Ah it then never materialize like you’re never going to act on them. It’s ah it’s well documented that mothers then never act on these thoughts. So.

01:01:04.88
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah.

01:01:16.60
Elodie
That was reassuring for once because ah it was not. It’s not like I wanted to do it. It’s I was almost having 1 vision of doing it and now the way I see it is that actually it’s it’s actually meant the opposite that what it sounds like it sounds.

01:01:28.56
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:55.80
Elodie
Like somebody who doesn’t want to be a mother or somebody doesn’t want to have a baby but it’s actually the meaning of these thoughts is very different. It actually means you care so much that you’re so scared to do something wrong and that it plays with your mind because the the responsibility you feel is overwhelming.

01:02:14.58
charukaarora
Um, yeah, those get yes and yes, yeah.

01:02:32.26
Elodie
And it’s hard to cope with it. So yeah, so I could also deal with these thoughts eventually by actually addressing them in a way that’s instead of trying to suppress them ah because actually when you try to suppress them. That’s what.

01:02:58.12
charukaarora
Now.

01:03:12.32
charukaarora
Cribilities. Yeah.

01:03:08.30
Elodie
That make them come back more and more so instead of trying to suppress them you then go more into the thanking the thoughts for being there for showing you that you care so much you have to address it in this way. So the whole experience was ah ah.

01:03:32.56
charukaarora
Okay.

01:03:42.98
Elodie
Quite difficult and it’s also very long because it takes almost one year two years to recover completely and I also ah decided to seek the help of a ah holistic ah healer practitioner who uses different methods and and.

01:04:06.80
charukaarora
Yes.

01:04:19.56
Elodie
And through through talking to her I started to want to do work and I wanted to make work. Um about this So I ah I manifested intentions. So.

01:04:30.16
charukaarora
Um, yeah about it.

01:04:50.86
charukaarora
That’s it.

01:04:49.76
Elodie
Ah, so for example I would concentrate and then listen to insight and I would come up with something like I want to express fear for example and based on these manifestations of intentions.

01:05:01.52
charukaarora
Okay.

01:05:16.94
charukaarora
So.

01:05:33.46
charukaarora
Oh my god.

01:05:29.22
Elodie
I started working with click and the the ultimately the whole mural postpartum. It’s ah all these so it’s 131313 intentions manifested in click that address different aspects.

01:05:45.34
charukaarora
Um, yeah.

01:05:59.80
charukaarora
Here that.

01:06:04.42
Elodie
Of dealing with the postpartum depression from the physical and girl as well as emotional as well as mental.

01:06:16.92
charukaarora
Oh my god this is so so something when you would you know when you would put an intention and you like that you talk us here. Um, would you like researching these were one of pieces like you events and you make something and you were like see this is big. Did you kept on working on that intention again and again and then until what I’m also trying to understand is is this process. You know like let said we work on a that it. Um, if you have of audio you have a vision in my Venice and I think in inject setting is. As always I think we all do that every time even before we have something in her hands. Always we have something that support is fast in the back of our mind I think people like like you said you’re a very visual person like um and I think because because you’re a visual person. Your. Thoughts are even more scarier because you could see them and I think I neededly experience jama and my mom passed away since then I I think I could because a lot of times when we see things visually as visual persons I can even imagine.

01:08:11.62
Elodie
No.

01:08:43.66
charukaarora
It almost feels weird even if it isn’t so my I like how would you? How would you because this also had a very emotionally impact and on your work coming from that would you make one work. Let’s say to set an intention and you would make.

01:08:45.52
Elodie
I Think you’re right? Yes, yes.

01:09:21.81
charukaarora
Work based on fear and would let back go all these 30 work are hand picked from other work that you also feel.

01:09:36.18
Elodie
So um I I manifested these intentions and I did one piece per intention and I was trying to cover a lot of ground so I didn’t ah I didn’t stayre with one because I think I wanted to show.

01:09:53.34
charukaarora
Okay.

01:10:13.68
Elodie
Ah, many many different things in within this postpartum idea and but I also ah used drawings um, and and and eventually I also went back to text after these 13 pieces were made.

01:10:32.74
charukaarora
Yes.

01:10:51.16
Elodie
Um I um I looked at them again and I wrote a little text for each of them.

01:11:04.82
charukaarora
Um, yeah I mean I this feel so you had like um or use. Um your keyor forward aation. Yes, yes yeah.

01:11:14.88
Elodie
Yes, you could you could scan a Qr code and then access that content on your phone. Yes, yeah, and I think what I was trying to do with this text is to make it more explicit because it would be too abstract if you just. The mural is absolutely valid as None piece without the text but I during my ah what the I had some resources that really helped me to recover and to feel better and to just cop and ah. Resources they use a lot of materials which are women have given testimony they have opened themselves. They have shared something very difficult and that helped to make me feel that I was not alone or not crazy or.

01:12:48.20
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

01:12:51.68
Elodie
It helped me so much that these women had shared some content of their own experiences therefore I wanted to give something back like this where if if somebody sees my mural and reads my text maybe they feel like oh I was not crazy then or I’m not crazy now like I’m I’m not alone.

01:12:58.40
charukaarora
Yeah. Now.

01:13:27.22
charukaarora
Um, yeah, yeah, amazing I think that is one of my favorite part when you was one of my favorite thoughts from the for sure. Um, also okay, met time. Yeah I think it.

01:13:30.72
Elodie
Yeah, yeah.

01:13:43.36
Elodie
Thank you! Oh thank you so much. Thank you I There’s a lot at fair.

01:14:06.30
charukaarora
I I think I what is your really like about your work is the adoiness of that None possible material because I love um clay as a material it really grounds you more than anything and I think what like I said it felt very.

01:14:33.34
Elodie
Yes.

01:14:45.88
charukaarora
Felt 3 d drawing like they were they were raw. They were organic. Ah, even though they were structured they did feed like structures. They felt very fluid because there were groups drawing I think and all the sudden they had I think what I really agree I think.

01:14:44.78
Elodie
Yes, yes.

01:15:01.20
Elodie
Yes, yes, yes.

01:15:21.12
charukaarora
I Really liked as a reor when I was new finish at new was it gave me space as a view and it did take a lot of space from me and then that’s what I do Rejo as when I view it gave me space to become a part of it more than like.

01:15:36.64
Elodie
O.

01:15:47.76
Elodie
Oh that’s so nice to know this. Thank you for sharing this I actually my intention was that it would look like a 3 dimensional drawing and you had this impression so that’s really nice and I think maybe what helps you or so it’s that there’s quite a lot of negative space in that mural.

01:16:06.96
charukaarora
Um, yeah, you Know. He gets exactly um, fixed. Yeah now.

01:16:25.38
Elodie
So that may be where you find that you can fit. Also yeah, that’s very nice and I don’t know if you notice but on the bottom right corner there was messing nature also in 3 dimension. Did you see that the mural as ah, you know like you have a drawing and you sign it on the corner.

01:16:47.66
charukaarora
We sorry then? yeah yeah, yeah I thought yeah ah.

01:17:02.76
Elodie
So I actually creating a 3 dimensional signature so to also give this impression of like it’s a drawing. Yeah.

01:17:17.94
charukaarora
Yes, yes, yes I We have such community to choose of everyone and channel with you on. Okay, shock let’s talk now like let’s talk about the peacock series results. That’s something on I may can you talk about what I was.

01:17:21.88
Elodie
Okay, thank you.

01:17:35.60
Elodie
Yes, yes, yes, that’s also so ah, you would have noticed by now that all my work is very narrative. Ah.

01:17:56.22
charukaarora
So yeah.

01:18:00.10
Elodie
Ah, so it’s also very contextualized. So the context of this work was after my master’s the green ceramics I took the position of artists in residence in a boarding school in England in the countryside. Um, so for 1 year I was in this environment which is quite.

01:18:28.18
charukaarora
Okay.

01:18:38.68
Elodie
Ah, special because I was not familiar at all with the world of boarding schools. But it’s quite an insular environment and because it was in the middle of the countryside and was surrounded with these green fields. It was very it was like a little community there.

01:19:07.68
charukaarora
Those yeah.

01:19:13.40
Elodie
And I struggled a bit in that here because I lived on site and I had a car but I didn’t really like driving so I was feeling a bit isolated at times and.

01:19:37.24
charukaarora
Yeah, and.

01:19:44.58
Elodie
Ah, there was also in the school in the boarding school. It was a little old fashioned I would say and it was very hard. There was a lot of hierarchy between the teaching staff versus the people who worked for example in the cantino as a maintenance or in the in the garden.

01:20:20.10
charukaarora
Okay, just because.

01:20:21.66
Elodie
There was a a bit of like ah up and down. Ah um, socially there was quite a yeah Mark divide in the way people were were considered and this struck me as being it’s yeah it struck me that it was so visible and.

01:20:38.18
charukaarora
And okay.

01:21:01.44
Elodie
Um, in the canteen there was a massive cart full of caps and saucers. You know this very blank. Ah I don’t know porcelain or very ah, the typical collectivity sort of very blank canvas.

01:21:10.56
charukaarora
Okay, yes, yeah.

01:21:29.24
charukaarora
Um, in it. Yeah.

01:21:39.38
Elodie
Ah cup and saucer and and and there was on the 1 hand, you’d have the people who were taking care of the object you know, washing it serving the tea etc and on the other side there would be the people who were drinking that tea and they had there was 2 different worlds there. So I used this.

01:22:04.40
charukaarora
Um, yeah, yeah.

01:22:14.22
Elodie
Idea of cap and saucer as a canvas. Ah, and then I projected lots of my stories that happened to me that here onto this caps. So each cap became a little narrative of event or feeling or mood of that year

01:22:18.84
charukaarora
Okay.

01:22:31.16
charukaarora
Okay.

01:22:46.38
charukaarora
Oh um.

01:22:48.20
Elodie
So for example, one capb was about the countryside. They actually living surrounded with the nature one other cupb was about ah feeling lonely. 1 other cab was about going for picnics at the beach and etc etc just mixing stories of my year.

01:22:56.60
charukaarora
Um, yeah.

01:23:26.88
charukaarora
Oh Wow This will fine and interesting. You know why I Also really like I Love bill. Um, you know why now that you’ve spoken about a very different project that you had like um your fullwaum feed when your chicup Tv like.

01:23:23.48
Elodie
On these caps and so cells.

01:24:04.82
charukaarora
Have very different issues exposures that you address something is very very more serious and even though it is but um, it’s not like you know it’s still. It’s still has aages um, different image. But when as a viewal we see.

01:24:28.92
Elodie
Yes.

01:24:41.00
charukaarora
Certain lifeness. Also your world brave into someone I think even in the subject matter I Think how your world delivers that is also very interesting like you know he you’re talking about something a series is or some some of your own difficult experiences. So when I view them as an as a viewer.

01:24:53.80
Elodie
Yes.

01:25:06.84
Elodie
Yes, yes.

01:25:20.20
charukaarora
Don’t bring that. Um, that’s a Z like it. It’s almost like it takes away like it absorbs the stuff.

01:25:17.90
Elodie
Yes I think it’s ah yeah, yes I think it’s because of 2 reasons if I tried to analyze one is the use of color. Even if I may talk about something very dark and difficult I’m using color.

01:25:44.30
charukaarora
Yeah now yeah spells it out.

01:25:55.42
Elodie
As a way to I associate meaning to color but I use color and another the one is maybe because the emotion is I try to ground it into something very maybe specific O and so for example, it might be a fish. It might be ah um. Ah I don’t know an object a so pair of scissors or something that is very easy to relate and it’s not ah, it’s not an object that brings any necessarily any fee or any any strong emotion. So Maybe this is because of that that I used very colorful.

01:26:53.76
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

01:27:14.48
Elodie
Work and then also these common elements common symbols and then it means that the result is not ah looking scary or dark or yeah, yeah.

01:27:40.74
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah, okay, my last question before we go into the rapid fire tell me some people a little bit like I’ve always done I think I really want to live um in a bankingside at some point I live in the city right now. But um. And think we a lot are um, always you know, fantasize that um idea but it’s equally scary also like because at least someone who’s ready the city for so Long. It’s the isolation. The idea of and it’s just isolation this is of being balloon. It’s a lot of.

01:28:39.80
Elodie
Yes, yes.

01:28:58.28
charukaarora
It’s very hard I feel like it’s It’s very hard because the conveniences that we’ve had an adaptation of being in the city once is this institute we need to work hard for why you live you know in a countryside in La mountained so farway places I just wanted to know.

01:29:03.80
Elodie
Yes.

01:29:33.88
charukaarora
Um, with your a I’m very interested to know how your life looks like now in the village and how has your experience of you know, being a best parts of the world. Um, living in different parts and then now being here and your your work.

01:29:35.78
Elodie
Yes.

01:30:13.60
charukaarora
All of that together is the one How does that look like like.

01:30:13.98
Elodie
Okay, I’ll try to address all these different aspects I think I was also before I moved to this place I was also I Always only lived in the city I was really much a city girl like there’s no doubt about that I was always in the city.

01:30:44.38
charukaarora
Um, alone.

01:30:49.00
Elodie
So initially there were some things living here that I was scared of. So for example I was scared of the dark because the nights are very dark and it’s interesting because after 5 years of living here. Not only I am not scared of the dark but I shall wish it.

01:31:01.20
charukaarora
Yeah, Dn.

01:31:26.60
charukaarora
Screw out.

01:31:27.80
Elodie
You know? For example, if there is too much light somebody is putting too much light at night I think this is not good anymore. But before I would have liked more lights. Probably so um, that is because I understand more about ah the importance of respecting the the the land for the.

01:31:42.24
charukaarora
Um, yeah.

01:32:02.48
charukaarora
Um, a language. Yeah.

01:32:06.50
Elodie
Ah animals I think ah and when it’s dark. You have a ah whole new white life that needs to be for it to be dark so you start to Also I think you see yourself that you are sharing the space with the wildlife so you want to also respect that.

01:32:22.38
charukaarora
Then.

01:32:43.48
charukaarora
Um, yeah, yeah.

01:32:44.64
Elodie
Before I was not considering these things. Also I think I have become much more conscious about the environment and much more scared of what we are doing to the planet since I live here because I see the rubbish going into the landscape So that’s very.

01:33:06.42
charukaarora
And yeah.

01:33:22.88
Elodie
Troubles me much more than it used to trouble me because I think when you are in the city. You cannot block it out from your mind. Yeah somebody collects the rubbish You don’t think about it. Yeah, so that’s it.

01:33:31.52
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah, see you living in a body one. Yeah, it was it doesn and then you don’t know where it goes. We don’t see how it goes Undo Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:33:53.36
Elodie
Out of sight out of mind but here it’s inside. So it’s in mind I guess yeah so like that None

01:34:06.42
charukaarora
Does your life look like it today. How what does your life or geny. Ah we look like look like for you. Yeah, your life is like your work like you know your studio practice is how do you manage? How do you make the work your studio athletes like.

01:34:17.78
Elodie
My life. That’s a big question. Ah.

01:34:35.28
Elodie
Right? So we are very we are although we live in this ah countryside. We don’t have this ah we have a very different rhythm than if we were in a city because we we have the studio at at home. So we don’t have to commute anywhere. We were.

01:34:45.44
charukaarora
Living in.

01:35:01.14
charukaarora
Okay, yeah, yeah.

01:35:13.96
Elodie
When we want to work which is very nice. So for example, you want to start early in the morning you rise early or you can also do late nights. It’s like we work hard but we work on our on our own terms which is very nice. Yeah, and so we are very busy with the potry very like often. It’s ah.

01:35:21.64
charukaarora
Again.

01:35:34.96
charukaarora
Is yeah for me.

01:35:51.64
Elodie
A lot of the day spent ah with the poty but more and more we’re trying to make more time for artwork. So now I think we have richer place where we’re trying to achieve a balance Yes, in the like in the way we manage time but it’s ah it’s also interesting.

01:36:05.52
charukaarora
Yeah. Yeah. I Mean these cells of.

01:36:30.68
Elodie
To live in a countryside in a village like andreta where there’s always visitors. Ah sometimes I think our social life is more active here than it was yeah I know it’s funny because also.

01:36:48.78
charukaarora
Um, yeah night.

01:36:59.20
Elodie
We people travel longer distances so we see them for longer. So you know you don’t drive for 1 hour to earn this day for 10 minutes so you you spend good quality time with visitors friends who come more? yeah.

01:37:16.80
charukaarora
Yes. Um, know how like um, it I think that I think like something that’s really great about your life that if you have an access that you have a created community that um.

01:37:54.00
Elodie
Yes, yes, it’s very very nice. Yeah, also in we are not very far from damshaa and on the damshala side. There are also some creative people who live there there So there’s a nice little community here. Yeah.

01:38:13.44
charukaarora
Very creative. Yeah yeah, oh wow that yeah, love touch So time you so much andivie I have so much fun talking to you. Let’s get to the library pi.

01:38:36.50
Elodie
Thank you? Okay I’ll do my best Yes, a bit.

01:38:49.62
charukaarora
Are you ready I know you was Scar for if I So his stickers. Okay so I ready let’s do it. Okay here we go.

01:39:09.48
Elodie
Yes, let’s do it.

01:39:22.34
charukaarora
1 thing you want to some great three world India.

01:39:23.44
Elodie
Okay, you gotta have to repeat slowly.

01:39:31.12
charukaarora
Yeah, 1 thing you want to pleaserate through your work is the art.

01:39:37.38
Elodie
I Want to tell stories.

01:39:45.10
charukaarora
What said 1 voice I described give the best.

01:39:50.16
Elodie
Again, you gotta have to repeat I didn’t hear everything.

01:39:58.10
charukaarora
So what’s that 1 word that describes you the best.

01:40:05.96
Elodie
Mean 1 word. Ah funny. It’s not really a good description of me. But here we go where you said face spontaneous.

01:40:21.80
charukaarora
If you can Yes no, let’s go with us if you could have us to your chamber in the world where will I see.

01:40:45.60
Elodie
Ah, it’s funny because I think I would say a city. So yes I don’t know I think Also if you think about? yeah.

01:40:59.56
charukaarora
Yay.

01:41:06.46
charukaarora
I Think the all pay the idea like you know what we have that we want something or and what we don’t have tell me with buy i’ this? yeah.

01:41:22.14
Elodie
Why a city I have ah I think it’s because I’ve got the feeling of like some environment which would be very buzzing around me like to okay okay I imagine myself in some kind of penthouse with lots of windows.

01:42:00.54
charukaarora
Oh yeah, she white why one studio we can multiple never less. Yeah, yeah.

01:41:57.32
Elodie
Overseeing a busy city but I’m very happy here also. But.

01:42:19.70
Elodie
I Sorry you you you There was a break in the connection. What did you say.

01:42:36.60
charukaarora
And Click Why why do have one when you soon you can have many you have one here and let’s get you another suit a pen Thousand City and thinking come back to de We have you in del.

01:42:42.12
Elodie
That’s true. Let’s dream.

01:42:56.22
Elodie
Which city is in. Come back to you want me to come back to Delhi. Oh not really no I’m not a no I mean there are lots of beautiful places in Delhi. Ah the only thing and.

01:43:15.40
charukaarora
Did you like gary snow. No I’m saying no what I. Yeah, yeah.

01:43:35.66
Elodie
Think it’s for me difficult in Delhi is like a lot of traffic. The traffic is a problem and obviously the pollution is also a problem. Yeah, but they are bit like when we visited Delhi for the art fair I loved it like for dehi for like one week ten days I love it

01:43:42.36
charukaarora
Yeah, yes, it is pollution is very bad. Yeah yeah.

01:44:09.46
charukaarora
Yes, here here How was done where would you want to have a time.

01:44:12.80
Elodie
Yeah, like.

01:44:23.40
Elodie
I think in France I don’t know in France I come from a city. Not very big I love the coast I love the seaside in France and obviously as a city I think as an artist you’ll probably want to be in Paris but when I say.

01:44:43.20
charukaarora
So okay, the probably here. Yeah who how me do and I think those cultural references I Don Really like my.

01:45:00.66
Elodie
Of a city I Also think about Istanbul I Love Istanbul. Yeah.

01:45:20.48
charukaarora
The best part of being in India is about those little details that an inspiration that you get in everyday life that you don’t have to know like.

01:45:19.86
Elodie
Yes I think Istanbul is kind of sitting at the crossroad down between Western and East and that’s how that is really really interesting. Yeah.

01:45:39.40
charukaarora
Yes, yes, yeah, love that? Okay, who’s your favorite woman office anybody dying? Yeah yeah, absolutely.

01:45:59.64
Elodie
There’s a can I say more than one. Okay, so I really like the work of Anami Menjita it’s very powerful I ah in the ceramics I I love the work of Betty Woodman

01:46:13.10
charukaarora
Health care.

01:46:29.72
charukaarora
Lady doing yeah something love little a little more than one god but can you share 1 favorite moment that not is something that really made you professional, grateful for the work that you’re doing just one moment.

01:46:33.60
Elodie
Yes.

01:47:07.52
charukaarora
Wasman info that you had.

01:47:07.40
Elodie
I Think as a ceramic artist I would say every time you open your Kiln and you see your work because you it has been transformed So there’s something sometimes with this getting the object from the kil. That’s very very.

01:47:24.58
charukaarora
Yeah.

01:47:43.66
charukaarora
Surviving? Yeah yeah.

01:47:40.76
Elodie
Like you feel very very happy and and you you remember why you’re doing what you’re doing so that way otherwise in in another context I was very very grateful for the art fair actually recently like ah to see.

01:48:12.60
charukaarora
Um, yeah, yeah, so.

01:48:16.84
Elodie
Ah, work there and in such a beautiful context and then to to to have it interact with people that was really really nice.

01:48:34.66
charukaarora
Enough case. Okay, if you were to meet younger L A what advice would you favor.

01:48:49.62
Elodie
Ah, don’t stop worrying. Don’t worry everything is going to be fine. Yeah.

01:49:09.60
charukaarora
Oh my God Lovely um shout out human heart. This is currently loving on social media.

01:49:23.94
Elodie
Ah, for me, it’s ah I feel very inspired right now by ah, a page. It’s not an artist. It’s a page but it’s managed by an artist I believe it’s called materal art. So it’s ah yeah, go and check it is very interesting.

01:49:39.30
charukaarora
Yes, yeah.

01:49:51.60
charukaarora
Um, over really and.

01:50:02.26
Elodie
It’s got a lot of work from the point of view of the maternal. So ah, not like it’s more than motherhood. It’s a relationship to motherhood. Also it’s ah I find the work very very interesting because it’s very away from all the cliches one can think of ah.

01:50:42.00
charukaarora
Item.

01:50:40.98
Elodie
The the mother and the mother like the mother and the child. It’s really really ah, very wide and very very thought provoking and sometimes you so funny, Very interesting.

01:51:07.50
charukaarora
Um, Wow I have to take it out last question that is as an object of the what that one piece of advice that you would like to give to anyone whos with with that. Yeah.

01:51:31.56
Elodie
1 piece of advice I think I think the advice I kind of like the the most the main one is whatever you do you do it with integrity I think.

01:51:55.74
charukaarora
Yes. Yes, Gs ah finished.

01:52:08.28
Elodie
Because if it’s done with integrity. It’s some. It’s going. Something’s good is going to happen I think.

01:52:25.20
charukaarora
That’s so nice of you to say Yes I Love that advice. So my voice eli. Thank you so much I feel you she has such a good time knowing you and you know talking to you it totally your better.

01:52:45.90
Elodie
Thank you so much for all the questions and it was interesting for me too because I find a lot of the time when we verbalize what we do. We find also new things for ourselves. Yeah.

01:53:06.52
charukaarora
Yeah lot tell yes, that’s true. Okay, so None people I let you go, you have any upcoming project that you would like ask to know about baby. We can share for you where you can. Maybe support you and also for everyone who listening to this episode where can they find your work how they can do your work and you know all those things behave.

01:53:56.72
Elodie
Okay I have nothing I have a few projects but I can’t really talk because there’s no dates attached and so it’s a bit up in the air. But I would say the best is to check my Instagram page. So maybe you’ll put the link to the page. Yeah.

01:54:11.38
charukaarora
Death.

01:54:29.64
charukaarora
Yeah, Gentizes is this.

01:54:35.58
Elodie
And my website has to be redone. There’s like it’s ah you know what happened during the covid like I think it happened to a few people where your provider has actually like shut down that’s happened to me right? So I had something which has shut down but they they actually.

01:54:47.44
charukaarora
Yeah.

01:54:59.56
charukaarora
Yeah, will go.

01:55:13.00
Elodie
Manage to make it take over by another provider but everything has shifted in the layout. So everything has to be looked at now. Yeah Instagram is their best right now. Yeah.

01:55:17.56
charukaarora
Answer? Yeah, yeah, ok so the best place is you find a on Instagram I will find I will link lv’s Instagram in show notes who was. And a few pictures from the yard and also what you say.

01:55:58.80
Elodie
Thank you very much.

01:56:06.62
charukaarora
Ah, thank you so much I’ll see you soon. Hopefully again save your.

01:56:11.20
Elodie
Thank you? Yes, lovely talking to you today bye.

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