00:00.00

charukaarora

But if that works for you? Yeah so I was saying I’ve seen artspile and absolutely love the way you write and your um, you know? Yeah, it’s It’s really good but I just wanted to know how did you I mean you’ve been around for a very long time. How did you come here. How did you get started just a little bit more about you from the start.

00:23.90

etty yaniv

Show. So and basically I’m an artist and then I I also write. So um I started writing when I had my studio in Bushwick. It was an area where.

00:26.82

charukaarora

Um, what.

00:40.95

etty yaniv

Um, you have the grassroots. You know it was a very very vibrant scene of art starting from all kinds of you know from very young artists it that it just. Graduated for um, from and Mfa and more established artist was a very mixed bag of people. A lot of a lot of action. Um, and when I had my studio there I wanted also to get to know my community. Um so I started volunteering to.

01:15.24

etty yaniv

To the blogs that were local blogs in bushwick in Brooklyn and this was a great way for me to you know to get to know other people um to understand what other artists are and what they’re doing.

01:27.60

charukaarora

Are.

01:31.84

etty yaniv

Um, all kinds of art exhibitions in the area so it was a way for me to communicate with with my community and I loved it. So that’s how I started and it and I started writing more and more men.

01:43.60

charukaarora

Um, how long have you been writing for.

01:50.12

etty yaniv

And so that was promptly I would say 2013 something like that that I started really writing more intensely I mean in a blog I Always like to write and you know even in my. When we had writing assignments I used to like it in art History. So I have a background in that. Um, but for to writing about art I started with about 2013? yeah.

02:23.61

charukaarora

That’s I mean how has your own ah journey been so far. How ah you how how has your own ah journey been so far.

02:26.26

etty yaniv

Say it again I’m sorry you’re disconnected.

02:35.68

etty yaniv

So the art journey has been very exciting. Um I started from painting and drawing and went into installation and sculptural work I was more involved in you know, coming out of the wall. From a 2 dimensional work more into sculptural work. But I’m still doing both and I like the relationship between them school. We have.

03:03.30

charukaarora

Oh Wow! What’s amazing and do you like what? what’s happening right? now. Are you like I you spending a lot more time in the studio artspile.

03:19.23

etty yaniv

I’m spending I would say I’m spending most of the time in the studio but I’m also teaching and I’m also doing the you know the writing I’ve done a lot of things a lot of juggle.

03:26.94

charukaarora

Um, ah well are not you doing that.

03:33.72

charukaarora

Yeah, oh that’s a you will you’ve done a lot of work but I was saying that you’ve exhibited your work all of the world. It’s It’s very like um what I just want I just wanted to know like um.

03:40.52

etty yaniv

Yes.

03:48.76

charukaarora

How art sp came in I know that I will ask this question later on also of course but I wanted us to have a a little bit more deeper conversation than just introduction. So I just wanted to you know know a little bit more and then we can kind of continue that conversation there.

04:07.60

etty yaniv

Okay, would you like to that’s a question. Ah so and you know I I Ah mostly.

04:12.30

charukaarora

Um, client I was just asking art spell came into being.

04:22.31

etty yaniv

I would say that most of my time I do my I make my art. Ah I spend my time in the studio. But also my studio is outside too. So I I see I see I saw outside Well I think.

04:25.84

charukaarora

Um, okay.

04:38.12

charukaarora

Um, outside blue as in.

04:41.44

etty yaniv

Making art is not only in the studio. It’s also going in looking at looking at the patterns around you in the city walking down the Subway I take a lot of.

04:45.12

charukaarora

Um, absolutely absolutely I have what has yes.

04:55.65

etty yaniv

Pictures I take I I draw and I paint also what from what I see around me and I incorporate it into my work in the studio. So I would say that that being. Thinking as an artist is a twenty four seven kind of activity but real art to say this is the amount of time I’m in my studio then the rest I’m doing that you know, but.

05:15.82

charukaarora

Um, yeah, as.

05:26.40

charukaarora

Yeah that’s right too. Okay so I’ll give you a little bit of introduction about who I am arts too hard. So my name is again tarka I’m an artist myself but I’m also the founder um editor of arts 2 hearts project. So we started I started this community platform 2019 and the beginning of the pandemic I was very confused very lonely I come from India Bornham Daughter in city of Tajagra and I’d been living alone in Delhi finding out my we. Um, as a creative and I never thought I wanted like I never knew being an artist was ever an option. It was just like I had never seen one never heard of one. It always was a profession that either was with the privileged or it came with that if day. But the stigma that you know if you can’t do anything else that probably that’s what you can do and I was always and it’s still I to be honest, it’s still very much around. Yeah, but a lot of things have changed a lot of artists have shown their capacity and their ability of how they can grow their careers. And that how it can be a fulfill career. Even if you want to look at it financially so I didn’t know I was figuring my way out I was very lonely I’d been working for 9 years before that I was working in the design and fashion industry.

06:57.10

charukaarora

And I had always always always made art I mean I don’t at that point I never felt like it that that’s what a practice could entail but to do looking back I I look back and how I see how I was still you know practicing in my own way because I grew up. In India um, ah you know, um, it’s a lot of textiles. Um craft culture architecture. All of that and I spend hours and you know days with my mom figuring out like you know what would be a good. Patch to make on clothes or what would be a good style and a good motif and all of that um is a very very big part of my own work today because a lot of my work is inspired by indian culture and our heritage and crafts and all of that.

07:52.70

charukaarora

But at that point I wasn’t I really didn’t know what being an artist meant I had tried a couple of things felt miserable about them and I was like you know what? I Really want to be an artist I don’t know what that means but I want to make something by my hands and it probably won’t pay me off like. You know other jobs but I’d been doing a couple of jobs before and I was like I’ll find out. Okay I’ll maybe do this to just you know satisfy myself and um and see how it goes and.

08:15.30

etty yaniv

What.

08:24.91

charukaarora

In that process I started feeling very very lonely and confused I didn’t come from an art school I came from a design school. The world was very different I felt like I was going back hundred years in time specifically here. Um the art market is very very a lot a lot traditional even now so I didn’t know how I could do this for a living even if. That meant like I wanted to do something and I didn’t have anybody to ask questions to nobody around in the name of a community. So I started leaning on on the internet and I started finding a little bit of people putting myself out there reaching out how people do things and I realize like how.

08:53.39

etty yaniv

I.

09:04.40

charukaarora

How momentally that changed so much of my life because I instantly found people who were also struggling with the same things that I all this wild thought was only me and then it was I mean it was magical because. Um I No longer felt alone I felt a lot of my empowered people around us. We all like together. It just felt so different and I was like you know what? I Really want to do like I figure that this part of being an artist was something very important to me and I saw a huge difference in my own work in my own. Um, practice as an artist because the more conversations I was having um the more look work I was looking even if it wasn’t for like I have a terrible anxiety Issue. So I can’t go to like huge public places like meet people and I like I I really can’t. But I was really enjoying these conversations that were helping me also pro and I was like you know,? let’s do something like this I Really want to build a space where people can have be artists women artists can just feel supported and uplifted have intimate conversations find resources because not everybody comes from Nat school not everybody has the. Or even if they do who a lot of our Schools. Don’t teach a lot of things that artists need for survival and to thrive so we started artstoar project with a simple aim to help women artists. Um you up, let them to help them make their careers. Um.

10:40.35

charukaarora

To create more opportunities since then we’ve done 2 seasons. There’s a third season of the arts to arts podcast we have a magazine we do call for art. Um and other publications and lot a lot of editorial free content on our website which is a lot of that is focused on you know.

11:00.69

charukaarora

Emerging and contemporary artists on how you know they can use the internet and how they can build basics of art business and creating resources on the internet so that anyone anyone who’s looking out for it is um, it’s there for them if it. They don’t find themselves lonely. The podcast is also very important like it’s one of my I love love my podcast so much this is season 3 and um, the podcast is something I feel like um, it’s like I always say like I feel like it. It needs it feel. It feels like an eavesdrop on a conversation. 2 people are having. Without the fear of a filter and how we can be honest and I think conversations in topics that we all feel but very like I think there’s always like this leer that we add like we not often talked about and I think in I just. I love the conversation on a podcast of intimately being an artist or a creative in the arts. So I always try to put ah the person in front of the work really trying to understand that like we all struggle with and relate to a lot of issues and experiences that. Ah, we you know all of us go through and having those conversations really help each other so that’s the goal of the podcast.

12:25.70

etty yaniv

It’s a very very good goal that you have that’s fantastic. So you you you have this kind of umbrella right? You have the podcast.

12:31.86

charukaarora

Um, fine. Yeah.

12:37.30

etty yaniv

You have the magazine you have you you curate shows as well. Do you curate.

12:41.71

charukaarora

And yeah I do but not so much I don’t think I just have the time but I am I’m doing one curation right now for create magazine. Um, they exhibit and. I think this much takes a lot of my own time and we so basically we invite guest curators to curate exhibits and publications for us because that way it gives artists a chance um to connect and get their work seen by someone you know. Someone else someone who could create more give them more opportunities and you know expand their soers but with every call for art. We have um, a new guest curator like you know I don’t know if you know jealous curator Daniel.

13:32.73

charukaarora

Ah, yeah, So we’re doing a new publication which is like studio visits. It’s a virtual.. It’s a photo book that we’re trying to do so she will be the one who will be curating this book with us. Um, you know filtering through artists and like you know with every issue we try to bring someone who has a very different eye. That every publication can be a very different look in field from the and artists like different artists can get opportunities because if I start picking everyone I know the kind of curation I would do and I really want more and more people to have.

13:51.75

etty yaniv

Um, yeah.

14:07.99

charukaarora

Like you know, creating these projects also create a lot more opportunities because a lot of emerging artists need their work to be published seen taken out and I think we’re just trying to be that drop in the ocean.

14:21.40

etty yaniv

And when you say curation is it like online curation or is it more like so in India or where where are you.

14:31.86

charukaarora

Oh it depends We have all kinds of projects. Um, so publications. Of course that’s print. Um, so when we curate books then Magazine. Um, it’s um, it’s It’s print curation. So We print select artists for print Medias. And then we have virtual exhibits and then we also try to do pop-ups in collaboration with other people and that could be offline. Maybe you know we try to come up with different ways. How we can be creative and making sure that you Know. We are able to optimize our cost and we still be able to create opportunities.

15:13.29

etty yaniv

A lot of work. It’s a lot of work. It’s like ah it’s all entangled. It’s like a cool you you? yeah right? That’s great. That’s great.

15:15.00

charukaarora

Here? Yes, um, thank you?? Okay, so yeti, let’s start. Let’s start by um, knowing a little bit more about you Tell me. How did you get into the arts.

15:33.85

etty yaniv

So I was one of those that was always drawing and painting since I ever remember myself that doesn’t mean that I knew I’m going to be an artist I did not. Um I Um I was writing and I was doing music and I was you know there was There was very very artistic child. Um, um, but I Also I Love psychology and you know when I went to school I I decided to go and study. Not art but psychology and literature so I started by that and I was doing my art anyway because that’s what I do um and then I decided to go art. Yeah, so um.

16:13.20

charukaarora

Oh wow.

16:23.30

charukaarora

Our lives like.

16:30.49

etty yaniv

And I think that for me the the art making has a lot to do with actually with literature and with with with my other interests because it all feeds it everything feeds each other and it informs it.

16:47.40

charukaarora

Yes, absolutely yes, a hundred percent

16:50.32

etty yaniv

Other right, right? You feel the stream like you came from design and you come there? Yeah so it’s all it. It all becomes. It’s all part of you basically so um so I was saying I did my I studied here I was born in Israel and tell. Ah, if.

17:05.95

charukaarora

Okay, yes, kind of high son.

17:10.80

etty yaniv

And I came I I came to New York to study and I stayed and that was in the the late that the like the beginning of the 90 s.

17:13.65

charukaarora

Her when was that.

17:21.42

charukaarora

Okay.

17:24.64

etty yaniv

The 90 s that’s when I did my and I came to study art here in New York and went to parsons and I was doing quite a lot of illustrations when I was at school like.

17:30.42

charukaarora

Oh j.

17:36.21

charukaarora

Okay.

17:41.74

etty yaniv

Last year I started illustrating for the New York Times and the nation and all those you know but I did illustration for quite a while I really liked it but I did my paintings on the side. So it’s very different I’m always thinking you know how illustration and um and painting.

17:48.77

charukaarora

Yes.

18:01.40

etty yaniv

Are similar and different in that way. Um, and I I think they’re getting closer these days when I was doing the plan. It was like.

18:01.23

charukaarora

Um, but but yes, yes.

18:12.82

etty yaniv

Oh you’re Jesus like no, you don’t even mention the fact that you did any anything to do with illustration or design. Forget it. You don’t say that but today it’s different I think it’s much more open and right I mean I think it.

18:25.35

charukaarora

Open right? and I think it’s yeah I think what’s with illustration I think with Ai with technology everything coming in. It’s it’s it’s changed a lot. It’s like.

18:31.63

etty yaniv

It’s more open this way.

18:44.56

charukaarora

I remember and ah and I think it was also traditional gatekeeping when it came to these medias that they wanted. Okay, this is this is commercial. This is too pressures this is and I think with um.

19:01.69

charukaarora

The power coming back into the hands of people and artists. It’s it has become a lot more about the conversation has become a lot more about being a creative creating creativity and like you know creativity then medium. What do you think about that.

19:15.18

etty yaniv

I Totally agree with that and I think that the the boundaries is plur much more now right? It’s not like you do this, you do that Even when you go to school these days. It’s not like you’re doing sculpture or you’re doing painting or you’re doing drawing. It’s like you do everything.

19:21.26

charukaarora

Um, yeah, and.

19:34.65

charukaarora

Yeah.

19:35.40

etty yaniv

Right? And and you do more thing. Media. It’s all it’s all a it’s merging and and you have a license really to do to do that. So I Love that I Love that it’s much more open and I think also. Historically when you look back at the school like the bahaus. For instance, the the craft and the and the drawing and you know and the architecture there were all things it wasn’t There weren’t such borders. Um, like we had in.

19:57.20

charukaarora

Um, yeah.

20:10.58

etty yaniv

I would say eighty s I think ninety s no I did it in the 90 s but still was it was still very.. You know it was a rostration and this this was fine arts and I remember that in fine arts. They used to come to my classes in drawing because they said none we don’t learn. To paint or draw or anything. We just talk so used to come to the to the to you know to the actual drawing classes in in in the school to to you know to get some real life model.

20:34.51

charukaarora

Um.

20:47.71

charukaarora

Well something. But you’ve been around for a very long time and you’re talking about a time where um, you know where it things were a lot more different where what things look like today. You’ve seen you’ve seen the transition but you’ve also seen like live with the worlds.

20:48.20

etty yaniv

Ah class.

20:57.42

etty yaniv

Um, yes, yes.

21:04.80

charukaarora

How as an artist and like you know curator. Both both ways. Are you adapting to wick how what? what is your perspective of this evolution that’s happening.

21:14.99

etty yaniv

I I’m I’m really adapting to it because I was never categorized in any way when I did the illustration they say they should do fine arts when I did fine art and I should write this right? So I was.

21:30.62

charukaarora

Um, isn’t this student of our life within this of our life.

21:35.33

etty yaniv

I love the ah out of the box thinking. So for me, it’s it’s very good I love it because in my work too when I do installation I combine everything. You know in there. It’s like it’s it’s Painting. It’s photography. It’s drawing. It’s sculpting. It’s all together. So um I love it that there are no boundaries like that that doesn’t mean that there shouldn’t be any limitation or there shouldn’t be any any. Rules you know or any formal consideration I’m not saying that everything is okay. That’s not what I’m saying but but that the open mindedness of you know, thinking about outside of the box and kind of blurring the boundaries I love that.

22:21.80

charukaarora

And what’s your take and um experience with technology taking over a lot of the space and you know how things and systems are also changing how on how artists can build their careers.

22:35.99

charukaarora

Hasn’t impacted you.

22:38.25

etty yaniv

Ah technology. Well it will the first of all, there’s the social media I mean this is the huge huge difference for exposing work. A lot of ah lot of artists and especially emerging artists are using it that.

22:39.68

charukaarora

Um, yes.

22:47.60

charukaarora

Yes.

22:54.79

etty yaniv

Definitely to ex exposed work and and I think that a lot of the the gallery model is changing too. It’s changing the whole system. The social social media. So a lot of a lot of models are reshaping.

23:03.39

charukaarora

Um, yes.

23:12.93

etty yaniv

Um, and for for artists I think it it gives opportunities on the other hand there are many more artists so it’s not that here.

23:21.86

charukaarora

Yeah, the good thing is it’s become a lot more um, democratized rather than in the hands of a few and at least you have a chance you can put your best um and I think what’s what’s really nice.

23:29.88

etty yaniv

Is it.

23:39.75

charukaarora

With the blurring boundaries is that it gives you so much more leeway on how you can survive as an artist I think more than anything all of us I think I’ve had a 100 guest something that stays consistent and have spoken to so many people. We all just want to make sure that we get to be like we get to create for a living I think that’s that’s we that’s something we all want to do and there are so many different ways that that can happen. And it’s just not one way and that gives us so much more power and opportunity to to actually um to actually make even if it’s to make a living and you know to try with your own skill that makes you happy.

24:35.39

etty yaniv

Yeah I think I think so I think um, making money out of art is not an easy thing these days either a lot of people like oh art have to so to.

24:45.41

charukaarora

Um, yes.

24:51.61

etty yaniv

Supplement it with other jobs. Oh where you have a day job as a designer or as a teacher or you know you you do or you have gigs like I don’t know 5 other gigs you juggle everything and you but but it seems like it’s more.

24:51.98

charukaarora

Yes, yes.

25:11.14

etty yaniv

Um, it’s more flexible in a way and there there are many many more ah possibilities to to be entrepreneurial in this more than 4

25:11.87

charukaarora

Um, yeah.

25:23.48

charukaarora

Yes, yes, what was it for you back Then? How did what was your journey of um I’m going to ask these questions because a lot we could learn a lot from you because you have a lot of experience and wisdom that you can share with us. How was it for you back then to find yourself. Um, as an artist um build a career that can also ah sustain you.

25:51.15

etty yaniv

Um I cannot say that I built a career exclusively out of art making I can say that I always made art no matter what I did um.

25:57.85

charukaarora

Okay. Um, yes and I love that.

26:08.67

etty yaniv

And that was a necessity for me and even if I had a job like a full-time job and a family that I supported I would make my art and it could be like midnight that I would get to it but I would get to it. Every day. So.

26:27.77

charukaarora

That’s very nice and I think that’s something very important I think um we I think just this I was having this conversation with Daniel only yesterday and we were speaking about we were speaking about how? um.

26:30.47

etty yaniv

If.

26:44.45

charukaarora

How like she’s had a hard time since her father’s passing away and I’ve had a hard time since my mother’s passing away and how we like you know I had this I had this huge fear because I wasn’t It wasn’t only it wasn’t. Financial or anything it was life and real like real situations where I felt like I I just didn’t couldn’t go and make art and that took quite a bit time for me and even now it’s like you know I know there are real life situations that just may not help me be. Make art the way I want to do and that that really helped me back for a very long time I had like these doubts. Oh My God Um am I Even an artist enough. Um and I would see other people thriving and moving forward. And you know having these you know creating these fabulous works and I feel like I just haven’t I just couldn’t couldn’t get to it so because also the constant feeding of how how an artist looks like what being an artist looks like. And a successful artist means like you know you have to make you know you have to be in the studio all the time or like all these things and I think the pressure it brings on us.

28:04.81

etty yaniv

You know for myself. It’s not like I always had the studio even you know so having a studio I see as a huge privilege that I’ve been having for the last for the for the last years but very often.

28:16.74

charukaarora

Yes.

28:24.48

etty yaniv

Before that when I started the studio was my kitchen. It was my you know my living room. Ah so so you make art where you can and you have to make it work.

28:28.23

charukaarora

I Love that I Love that.

28:38.81

etty yaniv

And and what you said about you know, sometimes when you have life like you said life comes and you have some sort and you have a trauma you have you have ah something happens and and and you can’t make it to this point. Um. It happens I think it happens to everybody really and it did. The question is how much you can get get it out of your system as ah as an art Channel At some point the channels are probably blocked. But but but you you what makes it? What makes it come out if you can get you know if you can get it over with and and start making sometimes you go with very small steps like making ah drawing.

29:16.81

charukaarora

Um.

29:20.00

charukaarora

Yeah.

29:29.91

charukaarora

Now.

29:34.66

etty yaniv

Ah day or something like that. You know people find all kinds of mechanical techniques to to start to start working again. Um I was I think I was fortunate in a way that for me.

29:45.68

charukaarora

Um, yeah.

29:54.66

etty yaniv

Making the art is almost like drinking water I want doesn’t make art is very good. It doesn’t mean that at all it just means the necessity for me. Um, and.

30:00.75

charukaarora

Um I love that? Yes, yeah.

30:12.64

etty yaniv

Even when when I really was very busy and doing a lot of other things. It’s like as if I didn’t make it I couldn’t make it. It’s I suffocated I have to make it so but doesn’t make me a better artist in any way you know what? I mean.

30:22.73

charukaarora

Um, yes, yes.

30:31.61

charukaarora

No I didn’t see that great I think you know what? what’s what’s crazy. You know like you said, um, in spite of everything and everything you were doing you would It’s like.

30:32.57

etty yaniv

Like it’s.

30:47.18

charukaarora

It’s like breathing we were having this conversation yesterday and I was like in the past two years I’ve realized art is just not a choice or a career for me. It’s like I need this for survival I have a lot of emotions and thoughts and I need art is the only channel for me and I’ve been using that. Since I was a very small child because that’s how I express and I need to get things out of my system so that it’s it’s become It’s like a necessity then something I have to do like ah a choice I have to do but.

31:23.43

charukaarora

I think what? what’s crazy is with the changing time of social media. Um, everything looks so perfect. So beautiful. Everything has to be huge everything has to be extraordinary and sometimes and I I feel guilty about this a lot of times because. Sometimes what happens is that in retrospect if I look back to you of what I’ve been doing the past two years have been to terribly hard but I know the little pockets of time. Whatever I had have been able to be I have been able to make what i. To get things out of my system or just to feel creative or ah, write more and read more and things that I I generally just can’t share. Um, it’s more of for myself than it is for anybody else. But when I look at other people specifically when it comes to social media and I see my little projects my little pages or like you know, sketch and something and I see their beautiful works and their beautiful shows and something like that and I feel. Even though I know it’s not right I know that but I feel that I’ve done nothing in compare to what I should have been doing.

32:45.30

etty yaniv

It’s It’s a lot of pressure. It gives a lot. It creates a lot of pressure and it’s not real. You know it’s like um and people create their persona right online.

32:45.82

charukaarora

Yeah.

32:59.60

charukaarora

Yeah.

33:02.67

etty yaniv

And it’s not necessarily the real thing Now you’re talking about posting art. Um, there is you know like I noticed recently not recently. But in recent years when you look at art online and then you go and see the real art. How often do you actually. Tender and see what you see on the screen. You know it’s a difference Sometimes it looks much better. Sometimes it looks much worse right? And it’s like nothing what you expected. So what you see on on online is really with someone.

33:24.83

charukaarora

Ah, yeah.

33:28.44

charukaarora

Um, yes.

33:37.60

charukaarora

Um, yeah.

33:39.34

etty yaniv

Chooses to show you like detail and you think it’s amazing and then you feel bad because your work is very important like you you mentioned how and you compare So it’s not a. It’s not a real thing and it has a lot to do with with the facade. You know it’s.

33:43.97

charukaarora

Um, yes.

33:56.25

charukaarora

Um, yeah.

33:57.71

etty yaniv

Not the real thing but the real thing is what you do in your studio or in your home or wherever you do your work with a page with it with your I you may or whatever you you know you? whatever your media is and and just. This This is the real thing. It’s not the social media I think.

34:15.63

charukaarora

Yeah, yeah, okay, let’s talk a little bit about you your journey not only as an artist but you’ve also been into curation. Um, you started arts by a couple of years ago and you really write like your artwriting is something that. I really enjoy it via arts sp I think um, first let’s get into like how did you get intoation and especially I want to know around the time that you were there like you know, um, was there like being a multidisciplinary artist like did you. Were there boxes that people would try to put you in or you know you’re an artist. You cannot be a curator or like um or it was a lot more fluid. Um, how did you get into it then.

35:04.81

etty yaniv

So it’s very fluid and I started ah a dead my my my springboard the the first thing is that I’m an artist that also curates and that’s very different than being a curator period. Um. I’m an artist that also writes and it’s different than being a writer. So everything that they do actually feeds each other all those all those things just different different parts of my brain that are working and somehow and.

35:27.25

charukaarora

Um, yes.

35:36.80

charukaarora

Um, has.

35:37.58

etty yaniv

End of the day it all comes together and I think you can identify with this because you’re doing anything So a curation started from actually creating opportunities.

35:39.89

charukaarora

Absolutely.

35:50.74

etty yaniv

Um I started with as I mentioned before I was in bushwick and there were many many spaces available and many many good artists around me and some of them.

36:02.86

charukaarora

Um.

36:05.30

etty yaniv

Were not noticed enough and um, some of them were people that they really liked the work where I thought they would work together very well. So I enjoyed I discovered that they really enjoyed bringing people together and seeing what happens.

36:11.85

charukaarora

Yeah.

36:22.48

etty yaniv

And discover new connections and connectivities between things that normally don’t go together but all of a sudden they they you know that? That’s the surprise element that really, um, it fascinates me in curation. And I think it’s the same element in my work too. It’s in a way. It’s Installation. You know it’s like bringing pieces together.

36:42.83

charukaarora

Um, yeah I mean yes yeah, like a fresh canvas itself. The only thing is that you’re just creating differently.

36:56.22

etty yaniv

Sorry um, you were disconnected I couldn’t hear you.

36:58.33

charukaarora

Yeah, I’m saying it. It feels like curation also feels like it’s like a fresh canvas on itself like you know, um, it’s just we’re creating differently. It’s like you know, but you push paint you scratch on the paper you know Brush Stroke versus curation is like.

37:03.49

etty yaniv

Right.

37:15.47

charukaarora

Ah, you’re mentally visualizing. Okay, how things can you’re creating that story and I think what I really love about curation is um and something I Really also practice in my own art practice which is.

37:33.36

charukaarora

Curate creating something of what is available and what is already there um like a lot I use a lot of materials that are already existent that have been used for ages and have a certain purpose and look like a certain thing and. I Feel like I Really enjoy a challenge where I have very limited resources I’m like what can I make out of this and I think I really make my best work then and I think curation also looks a lot similar where um, you have a set you. It’s like I have no clue what’s going to what. Going to come out of these I know and I have these let’s say set of artists set of Artwork. What are they trying to say and it’s like a conversation that you’re trying to build between each of them and then one conversation with you and you’re trying to not and like it’s such.. It’s such an interesting process.

38:28.11

etty yaniv

Yeah, do you feel that it it impacts your art when you make. Yeah.

38:35.18

charukaarora

I think a hundred percent so I keep saying this on the podcast and I truly believe this my own practice. Um with the podcast with these conversations. Um with a lot of curation because we I see a lot of work. Um, every month because we get a lot of submissions and we share a lot of work and I curate like for our social media or like I do look at a lot of work and I try to limit myself and you know because I only have so much time and like I do not also want to overpopulate myself. But.

39:11.77

charukaarora

It has so much impacted my own self and my identity as an artist because I feel I I feel pushed to think deeper. Um I Think what I really something I think that really helps me specifically with the podcast is like the conversations like. Let’s say I feel stuck in my in my own place right now. But every time I speak to someone I know I instantly feel like okay, they’ve had something similar or I find an answer or I find an inspiration something and it impacts me and then it starts to come out in my work.

39:46.67

etty yaniv

And.

39:48.11

charukaarora

And I and like you said you know Studios not only inside and I feel like I always see this like my practice art making is one part of it and building This community is a very big part of my own art practice because I didn’t go. This is my art school like. I am I Love learning every day I Love learning new things and this is such a beautiful form of learning from people around and as they are constantly Learning. We’re all learning together.

40:13.13

etty yaniv

Yeah I feel the same with archpile you know because there’s a lot I did a lot of it So I have a few formats and some of them are interviews and some of interviews are in real you know in depth. So I get.

40:23.91

charukaarora

Yes. Um, yes.

40:32.13

etty yaniv

Really look at the artist’s work and and trying to understand the development of the artist how they started where they’re going how they developed if there’s shifts in their word, you know you see especially when. People worked for quite for a few years you know you you see there are points where the work shifts and it’s it’s fascinating to see that and then and then the the process of writing starts because it’s all in writing and for many artists. Some some artists love to write and they’re amazing hard amazing writers. Some artists are very good writers but they think they’re not and so it’s the confidence of you know, giving them the confidence that yes you have something to say.

41:14.96

charukaarora

Yeah.

41:25.99

etty yaniv

Say it and you know we work on it together and in an editing process and and it pulls out of them. A lot of content. You know things that they get to think about their own work in different ways and that’s very satistray that I love that I Love that.

41:36.17

charukaarora

Um, yeah.

41:41.62

charukaarora

Like like yeah absolutely have okay tell me something what has been your biggest struggle in your career creative career so far. What do you think was your biggest struggle.

41:44.87

etty yaniv

Feedback You know that that is right.

41:53.17

etty yaniv

Um, what with what was my biggest struggle and.

41:57.88

charukaarora

What do you think was your biggest struggle in your career in your creative career.

42:08.41

charukaarora

For.

42:10.52

etty yaniv

It’s the it’s a sustainability practical sustainability I would say not the the idea of of making art the discipline of making art and I say. Discipline because it is some sort of discipline right? I mean although it’s a necessity. It’s still a discipline right? You have you do it. You make it. It’s like you know everybody has a different format for it. So This is not a struggle for me. But what is a struggle for me is.

42:28.73

charukaarora

Um, yeah.

42:44.15

etty yaniv

Um, is always then you know to make it possible to do because financially right? you need to you need to work somehow if you don’t they make the money from selling selling your art in there.

42:58.82

charukaarora

Um, yeah, um, absolutely.

43:00.30

etty yaniv

Right? Everything is very expensive. It’s New York city um and it’s the juggling family and you know I have I have a family and and also so all those making it all happen and stay ne.

43:13.65

charukaarora

Yeah.

43:18.10

etty yaniv

Practically I think that’s my biggest struggle has been my biggest struggle but it’s also my it’s also it’s not as I don’t know if it’s a struggle. It’s It’s a challenge. Let’s put it this way. It’s a challenge and and there’s something good.

43:28.84

charukaarora

Yeah, it’s like a toll you keep like it’s It’s a strie that sometimes something takes over and sometimes something else takes over and I think we I think the process is learning to be okay with that that. You know it may not be the same all the time.

43:49.27

etty yaniv

Yes, and sometimes you can exactly and sometimes the balance goes this way and that way but you know it’s It’s this I see things as very fluid I think that’s that’s the way I can keep you.

44:01.36

charukaarora

Now.

44:07.60

etty yaniv

Keep juggling it because it’s fluid and I get it I get that it’s it’s you can’t keep it like um at the same format all the time it has life happens in the middle right? and and you have.

44:10.27

charukaarora

Um, to it.

44:21.81

charukaarora

Um, yeah.

44:23.20

etty yaniv

Shift your your energy there here and there and juggle it in so certain ways. Yeah I think that’s like you said.

44:30.84

charukaarora

Okay I know it’s been. We’ve already spoken a lot but I also want to talk a little bit about your own work. You’ve done some amazing work your installations. Um I was seeing inversion and you’ve showed your work all around the world.

44:47.57

charukaarora

Can you talk a little bit about how has your work evolved I think something that I really look forward to listening and hearing from you is how has your own work evolved over the years um and your I would say how will you sum it up like. If you want to tell me let’s say I’m quite younger from you and I hope to have as long of art making as I can but um, how do you see your work as evolved were these years.

45:23.88

etty yaniv

Um, so I started from 2 dimensional work. So I started drawing small small drawing um paintings and.

45:39.22

etty yaniv

I would say that I started more as a graphic artist drawing drawing was my main. My main thing. Um and then I discovered color and I started going crazy with color and materials and um I think from. Pretty early on even when I did my paintings I was thinking as a collage I was thinking ah black you know and so you I was thinking about collecting all kinds of materials together bringing them together.

46:03.12

charukaarora

I Love that I love that I am offset.

46:18.30

etty yaniv

On a surface and the surface became more and more and more and more important to me and then I wanted it out of the wall and I was starting thinking it started thinking about not just the space within the image but the space outside how does it live in the world.

46:23.29

charukaarora

Yeah.

46:35.20

charukaarora

Um, outside.

46:37.43

etty yaniv

And and ah work kind of evolved into becoming much more sculptural but it’s always this this tension between the 2 wo-mensional of the 3 dimensional the the painting the drawing inside into the and and then.

46:49.90

charukaarora

Um, sleep.

46:55.52

etty yaniv

You know the volume the volume in in the I mean the and the texture. So and ah if if if I look at it very broadly I would say that’s the way it evolved you know and and even today um I I do both. So I have very large-s scale installations that like really big like room installation and then I have a 6 base six inch painting yeah and just see that right to very so.

47:24.41

charukaarora

Um I can see those in the background. Yes, yeah.

47:31.74

etty yaniv

Bigger but you know there’s small scale and and I love this idea I Love this this creating universes. We knew very small world and then creating I mean very very big. Yeah.

47:43.73

charukaarora

Something early. Yeah I Love that? Okay, um, thank you so much. It’s been wonderful. Wonderful talking to you I have one last thing. Have a small rapid fire to have a little bit more fun and to give away a little bit more about you to our listeners. So Are you ready I’m going to ask you of ah this or that first. Okay, so can tell me Creativity or perfectionism.

48:08.75

etty yaniv

Yes.

48:18.35

charukaarora

Which is more important to you in your art practice. Okay, early morning or late night which is your prefer time to create your work.

48:22.86

etty yaniv

Creativity. Yeah.

48:30.81

etty yaniv

Night.

48:31.91

charukaarora

I Love that music or silent what it must with. Do you need or want to create your best work. Okay.

48:40.74

etty yaniv

Both I working both. It’s not either or it’s like I do both sometimes I want silence sometimes I want music. It’s very.

48:50.29

charukaarora

And sometimes I think you know what’s crazy about this is sometimes even if there’s silence. There’s internal noise that’s still not silent and sometimes no matter how but.

48:59.36

etty yaniv

Yeah, snippers. That’s right agree with me I Love that.

49:09.85

charukaarora

Okay, inspiration and a hard work which is what you believe is a key to success. Okay, um, what is inspired.

49:13.92

etty yaniv

Hard work I don’t I don’t believe in inspiration.

49:24.85

charukaarora

But do you believe in them.

49:26.39

etty yaniv

What do I believe in what what was the question I’m sorry I believe in hard work I Really do.

49:30.17

charukaarora

Yeah, ah the question was um, yeah no I think that’s a that’s that’s right 1 inspired you to become an artist.

49:47.98

etty yaniv

It’s not 1 thing I was I was I was just doing it I was doing it from a very young age. Um I think that what inspired me to really become an artist. Um, as as an artist is and I just that’s what I really I discovered. That’s the only thing I like to do I have to do that.

50:03.56

charukaarora

Artist.

50:12.90

charukaarora

Um, okay, can you share? Um, one of the most rewarding moment for you as an artist something throughout your career that you feel like you know we have those moments that we always keep close to our heart. Any of the most rewarding or memorable experience that you’ve had as an artist.

50:40.55

etty yaniv

Rewarding experience.

50:47.71

etty yaniv

You know I think the the most rewarding experiences would not be um, a specific show or an award or anything like that more. Um, Um, when I get a response for instance, that’s meaningful to me about the work. Um, or when I I feel that that this is the work that I I Just you know that I.

51:12.90

charukaarora

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

51:25.60

etty yaniv

Ah, shifted me in some way or um, made made ah made me leap forward. That’s a instinct.

51:34.31

charukaarora

Yeah I like that sometimes I honestly like even though the conversation is a lot about chewing our work um shows sales all of that I also truly believe that.

51:50.25

charukaarora

Every artist in heart of Heart. Ah, really creates that personal connect with their own work and enjoys when someone else also finds that connection I remember like I feel so happy when someone you know tells me like you know how they connect. A lot of my workplace in work is a lot about me and my mother ever since she passed away and anytime I receive someone it responds like you know how they feel or they connect to it in in whatever context I I feel so good because it’s like I’m sharing like you know. Really like I’ve been reading a lot about it and I really believe like you know it’s shared consciousness and I feel like art is is such a good element to that like how we all look at the same and. Even though it’s the same content. We would have different thoughts but we’re all connected in those thoughts.

52:48.10

etty yaniv

Yeah, yeah I think it’s a very deep sharing actually because you’re as an artist you share such a ah you know you were so exposed as an artist writing your work.

52:58.73

charukaarora

You.

53:01.38

etty yaniv

And then if so if you feel it it connects if people are connected to it that that means a lot.

53:06.87

charukaarora

Yeah, okay, 1 last question, what advice would you give to other women artists who are getting into the art world and you know who are trying to make their own mark.

53:23.32

etty yaniv

Ah, be very very true to yourself. Don’t follow fashions. Um, think about work hard work.

53:40.30

etty yaniv

Um, make make it ah it it. You really need to want it if you if you’re really passionate about it. This is what it’s about.

53:51.38

charukaarora

Are.

54:00.29

etty yaniv

It’s about that. It’s about your passion to make the art. It’s not about anything else because things come and go success. Whatever you call success comes and goes. But it’s it’s.

54:13.90

charukaarora

I Nads to move.

54:17.80

etty yaniv

What you want to say in your art that that’s that’s the real thing. That’s the meaningful thing for you as an artist.

54:25.70

charukaarora

That’s so true. Love that. Thank you so much for this conversation I am very very grateful before I let you go back and our listeners find you support you connect with you.

54:30.52

etty yaniv

Think the thing.

54:40.78

charukaarora

Let us know and if you have something coming up that we would like we can support you in any project something Please let us know.

54:47.34

etty yaniv

Of course. So do you you would you like to have my and website or is.

54:53.14

charukaarora

Yeah I will in the show notes I will link. You know we’ll have a transcript of this entire show in questions and then we’ll have your work your website and links but you can also plug in it here.

54:57.69

etty yaniv

Um, okay.

55:08.32

etty yaniv

Okay, so should I ah okay so my website is www.aetty.yanav no

55:08.92

charukaarora

Yes, to share.

55:26.10

charukaarora

Um, dot com. Ah let me will know you have school you ahead of it.

55:26.14

etty yaniv

It’s not. It’s now no no email. It’s w W It’s it E the and mive Studioio dot com. That’s what it is the the website and they then.

55:36.66

charukaarora

Um, yes, yes.

55:45.76

etty yaniv

A publication. The art publication is archpiel.orgart yeah yeah okay

55:50.60

charukaarora

Yes, and I will link the think in the show notes. Thank you so much my hold of one like.

55:59.77

etty yaniv

Okay, bye.

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