00:00.00
charukaarora
Change because once you go on callly. We have an automated process that keeps you giving reminders of the schedule and I have to look at it Probably there’s how much.

00:08.43
Ruby Wright
I I received one initially and then you and I had our thing yesterday. But I’ve I’ve not I don’t think I’ve received anything else I’m really sorry.

00:18.26
charukaarora
Oh no I that’s I’ll look at it why that’s happening. Okay, so again, my name is tarka um I’m an artist myself and I’m the founder of art twoarts project art starts project is um. re an art publication and a community-based platform and we publish books in magazine and we run online editorials and communities for women artists. Um, we’re also venturing into a physical space and you know, events and gallery space very soon. So. Dots two hearts podcast is one movie of how we love to discover new artists share new stories and show what’s possible and like like anything arts 2 hearts is it’s about you know it’s just about. Transparency and honesty in the arts I think a lot of times arts feel um, approach unapproachable being an artist feels unapproachable what goes inside the art. It’s only for a few privilege versus creativity is for everyone. So there’s a huge you know miss. Ah, match and a huge gap in the industry I didn’t come from an art school I didn’t come from like ah and I come from india so in india um, art is still like it’s still not a mainstream. It’s it’s got in a lot lot better like it’s still It’s become a lot more popular today. But even when I started was like.

01:43.81
charukaarora
I’d never known an artist in my life. Um, anything that meant art was like something you know we were culturally in India we are raised very like constructively in the sense of crafts and you know women are creative men are athletic and stuff like that but never like something that you could pursue as a career. So. I never knew this was something I wanted to do I always knew 1 thing that I was creative but it was another thing to think about a profession and especially being in a patriarchal country I knew that I wanted to be independent and I felt like okay being an artist is the worst way because I would never make money so I never pursued it. And I tried a but bunch of things I’ve done a quite a few different things before that and I realized that this isn’t something that there’s only one skill I have which is just this and I don’t know what to do about it and that’s when actually house arts to hearts project started because it was my own journey of you know, figuring out. What it means to be an artist the business side of being an artist the creative side of being an artist the possibility because I never knew like you know what is like what are you are an artist I I am an artist we’re all we all have so many different definitions of how we were what’s possible. What’s not. So I’m I’m a very curious person I love meeting women who are creative. So that’s how arts too hard started. The podcast started. The podcast is very casual. It’s it’s like a conversation more than like you know, um, anything else. So.

03:17.35
charukaarora
The whole idea is to put the artist forward in front of the art Also real Conversations. Just not what like you know there are so many conversations that we all internally talk about but there’s not so much like you know the the conversation is still not out there. We’re all struggling with it. We’re all experiencing it So That’s about it. I’m very interested I Love your work I have um I I have so many questions but of course in in ah in a spirit that I am very very curious. So but again I’m not prepared I don’t have a list of questions. It’s a very organic conversation. What I Really love about the podcast is that.

03:43.35
Ruby Wright
Um.

03:55.50
charukaarora
You know with every guest I feel like you This space is for you. So I want this episode to be your voice more than it to be my voice so wherever we go in this conversation. Whatever feels more compelling and true to you and I’m sure we can go in that direction. Yes, yes.

04:13.27
Ruby Wright
Will meander. Yeah lovely. It have a chat? Yeah fantastic. Well I’ve listened to a couple of um your recent ones I like yes I listened to the one with the Australian lady um with the Maltese mum.

04:14.82
charukaarora
Yes, yes, perfect. So if you have any questions I’m more than happy to answer.

04:30.39
Ruby Wright
Um, who makes the incredible costumes and I loved her. Yeah as you said it was very very honest and yeah, she shared a lot. It was really generous of her. So yeah, let’s see what we let’s see what we can say.

04:31.63
charukaarora
Ah, yes, oh our Rachel oh she’s lovely.

04:42.30
charukaarora
Yes, are wonderful. Okay, um, okay, let’s I will record like a okay first let’s go why don’t you tell us about who you are.

04:57.85
Ruby Wright
So my name is Ruby Wright I live in London and I’m an illustrator working with children’s books. So my first book is going to be published in the Uk in May Twenty Twenty three um so that’s really exciting for me because I’m at the sort of beginning of of that. I’m not the beginning of the illustration journey because it’s taken a really long time to get here. But ah finally my books will be in little children’s hands and that’s really the whole point of it really? So that’s really exciting for me but I so I started so my parents are both artists. My dad’s a photographer and my yeah and my mom um did sculpture.

05:16.60
charukaarora
Yeah, oh well.

05:27.78
charukaarora
Um, wow.

05:34.29
Ruby Wright
And so I grew up in this very creative household And in fact, my grandfather My mom’s dad was a painter and my uncle fisher. Yeah I know it’s a really so in a way for me. There was never any I just grew up making you know like all children draw. Ah I never stop drawing really.

05:40.70
charukaarora
Goodness What a privilege.

05:47.70
charukaarora
I Love that.

05:52.20
Ruby Wright
Um, and I never thought about doing anything else. So in a way I felt very lucky because I knew I you know I had friends who didn’t know what they were going to be going to University to study or whether they go to University and I just knew I was going to go to art school and I did and I did sculpture and yeah and it was great and I did a lot of exploring.

06:04.14
charukaarora
Wow.

06:11.34
Ruby Wright
Probably and women. In fact I’m interested in your work as well because I feel we have. We’re we’re interested in some of the same themes and I I did quite a lot of craft stuff and I was looking at women’s role historically and as creative people but not in the arts particularly because all the artists that we studied art school um dead men then.

06:18.77
charukaarora
I.

06:26.40
charukaarora
Um, yeah men. Yeah.

06:31.69
Ruby Wright
So I was really interested in all that and my grandparents both died when I was sorry 2 of my grandparents died when I was doing my degree so I received some of their belongings as well and ah and I had yeah so there was a lot of um, what do I do with these things like their spectacles. So these.

06:39.90
charukaarora
Yeah, oh goodness.

06:46.44
charukaarora
Me Oh Wow now I know why do by those figures have those spectacles.

06:49.13
Ruby Wright
You know they wore their glasses on their face every day and saw the world through these suddenly they were mine and had yeah exactly so I’m knitted them little ah knitted them little jumpers like with buttons you put them over the arms of the spectacles knit and buttoned them up at the front and. Was very much about taking care and taking care of things and ah but I yeah I probably didn’t really know what I was saying it was probably more of an emotional response but and then I graduated and I got a 2 one which is like not the best but you know so average and I felt so cross that I’d been. Great.

07:14.61
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

07:27.60
Ruby Wright
This stuff that meant so much to me and it felt so meaningful and I I felt crossed to have a mark and it wasn’t the best Mark and I thought right I’m going to not artist anymore. So I stopped making stuff I didn’t actually ever really completely stop making stuff. But I thought I I’m going to go work and.

07:33.21
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

07:41.87
charukaarora
Start but ah, theologically when you’ve gone down the part of like a you know a professional path so like unless we’re not making something like you have a studio you have a desk like I think this is how I can really relate to this I can truly relate to this because I feel like. We say we’ve taken a break. But I think that break is only for the world because how world defines that you’re creating versus how we’re creating on our everyday life is very different.

08:06.73
Ruby Wright
I agree with you completely. But I do think that if you’re out of practice with making publicly. Perhaps um, it’s different for everybody. But for me I sort of did stop making publicly and then I really lost my confidence. Perhaps so I sort of didn’t.

08:19.99
charukaarora
You know.

08:23.15
Ruby Wright
Thing proper for a long long time and then when I did try and sit down and and do something I felt very lost really and I worked for the Bbc and did lots of jobs working in sort of organization. Yeah I I mean yeah.

08:27.62
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah, you would have broadcaster yourself I think that’s oh wow, you need to start a podcast then.

08:38.44
Ruby Wright
I was really I mean radio was a huge passion for me I worked for Bbc Radio and that’s yeah well I did have a music podcast for quite a few years which was I know it was really lovely to do? Um, so yeah I mean that’s the thing I’ve done quite a lot of different creative things and I think now I try and.

08:46.13
charukaarora
Oh wow.

08:56.99
Ruby Wright
I suppose Well one day it would be amazing to be able to have a practice that encompasses all of that stuff. But I think even if we don’t It’s it’s all fed into the into the visual stuff I suppose So then yeah, yeah, so I did I did other jobs for ages and then I had kids and at that point you know it wasn’t really worth financially me going back to work.

08:59.24
charukaarora
All of them. Yeah, it’s okay I Love that.

09:13.45
charukaarora
Yeah.

09:16.35
Ruby Wright
Job that I wasn’t in love with and my lovely partner said look just you know now’s the time you know you’ve got to really prioritize what you want to spend your time doing and with his support you know financially because he’s got a proper job I was able to begin the illustration path which is really long.

09:30.25
charukaarora
I Love when we say this a proper job. You know that’s how strange that is.

09:35.47
Ruby Wright
Yeah I know well it is. It is no use I know I know you’re right? It’s I Still don’t feel proper I think it.

09:43.30
charukaarora
Yeah I know no I think this is something I can you know, no matter how um, successful art is become. There’s back of the mind like so many. Ah so many of us still feel like um.

09:57.86
charukaarora
Will be some way of being like a proper like I can I can completely feel this even though I make like I’m independent I’m covering my expenses I’m doing like everything even in spite of that just because I feel like I work very differently. It’s like oh it’s just. I Don’t know how do you put that I don’t know I mean.

10:17.29
Ruby Wright
I Wonder if it’s also because we love it I Like you say earlier. Um you were driven to do this. There was nothing. There’s no question. You couldn’t not that you couldn’t do anything else but you weren’t going to do anything else. This is your calling I suppose and I think because we love it. You wouldn’t do this if you didn’t love it because it’s a lot of work and it’s not.

10:22.74
charukaarora
Yeah.

10:32.51
charukaarora
Ah, yeah.

10:35.25
Ruby Wright
You know, even if you’re making money. It’s not. It’s a struggle especially at the beginning to so you have to absolutely and I think people who course of course and exactly and you work really really hard and you deliver something and then.

10:37.38
charukaarora
Bill absolutely and it’s still risky and it’s like still I mean you do a million things and you make this money but there’s so much that goes behind it.

10:53.20
Ruby Wright
And then you don’t know when the next job is going to come in or the next money. So but I think that people who have jobs that are um in ins. Yes, who have stable employment I think they look often at us and think oh I suppose also because art is a hobby for some people. It’s like oh you’ll better your hobby for your.

10:53.20
charukaarora
Come absolutely Stabler.

11:06.62
charukaarora
Yes, yes, yes.

11:10.96
Ruby Wright
Ah, but aren’t you lucky aren’t you lucky and people don’t understand how much work goes into it. It’s unbelievable. The amount of work. Well.

11:15.74
charukaarora
You know I’ve I’ve I said this and these are some really insane things that a lot of times I think it’s also how artists are also treated in the society I remember this is not very far off. This is just like year and a year ago someone I know and um I had like a. I was selling a lot of pieces during that time I had a correction release and you know so somebody saw my work and ah this is someone I know very closely and he reached out to me and he was like you know what you have a great life. You’re scamming people and buying art and. That is a lot of perception because people think that being an artist does not come with work or like you know what is in a painting or what is like this you just or like design and because my work also lies at a lot of intersection of design and art and stuff like that and I think this is a general perception that keeps like. This validation that we I think this improper like proper job versus is also a validation be I think internally know that what we’re doing is what we’re doing. But how people perceive us also sometimes build that perception.

12:24.14
Ruby Wright
I Think you’re right? and it’s interesting now working with picture books because I think historically there’s been a perception that picture books are easy to write and easy to illustrate. It’s It’s like even within the field of art this is this is the you know the easy stuff and.

12:33.44
charukaarora
Yeah here.

12:42.52
Ruby Wright
Ah, like I’ve no but not anything. So just yeah.

12:43.38
charukaarora
Ah, absolutely you know what when I first I’ll I’ll tell you so when I was so I was venturing into the arts. Okay, and so I formally trained in design and that was even fashion design. So.

12:53.95
Ruby Wright
Yeah, yeah.

12:58.57
charukaarora
Now I feel like a full circle moment and I’m very grateful because that happened but at that point I was very like I wanted to be an artist but I was this fashion designer who had like um like you know for me, it was like my goal is to become an artist but I have this degree in fashion design. And I don’t know how I fit into both so I still remember this place that I was and there were people like ok you know what? um you like you’re an artist. You are a designer like this is an illustrator so like just this hitical positioning of even within the arts that sounded so insane to me. At that point even at that point not only today even at that point but it also made me feel really under um, underrepresented or like suppress in the way that you know if you had to be like even if you had to be an artist. A I felt like okay I had to come from an art school to get that like. That validation that we’ll often see and be that if I need I felt like I needed to be valued as an artist I had to do the form like you know the one that let’s say the finance the mainstream like you know what have you been a gallery or a museum and anything less than that. Within the arts itself and I’m not talking far off I’m just saying within the artist themselves I still remember someone who would this a few people when I was working there. They were like you know you are a designer and you know this is an artist or this isn’ an ill illustrat illustrato and I was like how is that different. We’re still all creating same people. We’re all like we still.

14:31.22
charukaarora
At the end of the day we’re all artist. We’re creating in different forms and we have different expressions and often our expressions overlap but that’s still I still feel. It’s insane.

14:40.12
Ruby Wright
Yeah I agree with you and I think that there’s also an industry isn’t there I mean people want you I mean specific groups of people. Not everybody you know. Ultimately, we are hopefully we are quite a supportive network and certainly the people I see it with a wonderful.

14:52.46
charukaarora
Yeah.

14:56.62
Ruby Wright
Ah, but I think there probably was historically and maybe in some areas still a desire to keep artists. Well, for example, if you’re a fine artist I trained in fine art. Also, you’re going to have to get a gallery. How do you get a gallery Well, that’s the only way you’re going to get discovered is is if you get a gallery. Well I think that’s nonsense and actually I’m not I’m not that interested in having my work in galleries.

15:05.33
charukaarora
Yeah.

15:14.47
charukaarora
Yeah.

15:16.51
Ruby Wright
I Think in the end I sort of found out that actually what’s really exciting as an artist is being able to create opportunities for yourself and finding interesting spaces to show stuff that are not galleries and inviting people along and they come and buy hey they come and buy stuff and and I’m also I’m really keen on I’ve.

15:21.67
charukaarora
Yeah.

15:29.29
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

15:33.80
Ruby Wright
And sort of invented myself a couple of residencies because again when I was an arts school. It’s like oh you’ve got to do a residency and it’s like well how do you do a residency or you have to pay to apply and then you might get selected and then you have to pay to fly to italy and then you can spend a month living in italy and not being paid and.

15:34.96
charukaarora
Oh love that.

15:43.37
charukaarora
Fly yeah.

15:49.61
Ruby Wright
Or no, you can approach an organization that you think is interesting and say hey how about I’m your artist in residence for a bit and in my experience they say oh yes, please? Yeah yeah.

15:58.17
charukaarora
I love that wow you that’s pretty smart and you know what’s even interesting is that I am sure while you started um things must have been a lot more harder in the sense of the conversation and how d I vio how. Driven like I think a lot of people now today um know that opportunities only don’t come to you. You can create them so for for yourself as well. But I’m sure it wasn’t as common at that point or was it.

16:22.74
Ruby Wright
Yeah, yeah, no and I mean I graduated in 2002 so a really long time ago and before social media and social media’s totally changed the game for me massively I mean in terms of the illustration.

16:34.60
charukaarora
Change everything. Oh you have a fantastic reach you work hard in wheel.

16:41.20
Ruby Wright
You know it all happened for me. Well it’s I’ve been really lucky I’m just lucky I Guess you know I I feel I do I do definitely work hard but I think I got lucky with the algorithm and that sort I mean I can’t really explain it. But it’s ah it’s just I would never have had I I got an agent in lockdown and I got a publisher in lockdown and it was all.

17:00.20
charukaarora
And before that. Okay, let’s this is interesting. How was it before that I just want you know I think why I’m asking. This question is also particularly sometimes we think that things don’t happen like like how much 2 years can your life change.

17:00.80
Ruby Wright
Because of Instagram plays it. Yeah.

17:20.15
charukaarora
Like we start giving up on our dreams because it starts feeling hard and heavy and I completely get that I’ve been there I am there at so many places of my own life and I’m sure we all struggle with that. But also sometimes that um you may have put in the 7 8 10 years whatever yours that we put in and it may not have. Giving you the results as you must have expected but sometimes just those 2 years can flip it like it’s it’s not like if 7 years it took you to come this far. It will take another seven years to make something different like it could be a six months. It could be any other timeline and that we have to like let’s just look at. I just want to show people how much can happen for you. So you said what I can completely like get from what you’re saying is things were very different for you before the pandemic. What am I right.

18:00.57
Ruby Wright
Yeah.

18:09.10
Ruby Wright
Yeah, so I ah I had children in 2010 and I thought okay this is what I said to myself I really want to be a picture book illustrator was probably let’s say twenty twelve something like that and I had obviously done my art degree. So I’d had some education in arts previously which. I know helps and I thought okay I’m going to try and get a book deal within a year eighteen months I’ll I’ll try and get a publisher to take a book of mine in eighteen months and if they don’t I’ll stop I’ll go back to work but I’ll have given it a go and my and and how many years was it 6 years something like that.

18:37.78
charukaarora
Yeah.

18:43.23
Ruby Wright
So I did some courses you know as soon as you begin to learn about an industry. You realize how much you don’t know well did educate myself this in London there’s um, really fantastic further education courses and colleges where you can pay not not a huge amount of money like maybe a 200

18:45.58
charukaarora
Um, yeah.

18:56.21
charukaarora
Oh wow.

18:59.81
Ruby Wright
Dollars or something and you can do a course that lasts twelve weeks and you know it’s a really great way of getting into something and now of course there’s loads of online stuff so I did a few of those in person and then I entered lots of open competitions and I sent my work off to publishers and I heard nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing and I began to feel like.

19:01.67
charukaarora
Wow.

19:18.13
Ruby Wright
What is what’s wrong with me. Why why is this not working at that moment I met a um, they’re called Orange Beak Studio I recommend them to anybody and they are ah um, a group of professional um book industry women. They’re all women.

19:19.51
charukaarora
Yeah.

19:31.43
charukaarora
Okay, okay.

19:34.17
Ruby Wright
And they do tutorials 1 to 1 tutorials and so I had a tutorial with a woman called Nes Nes Wood who’s a designer and she looked at my work and she said well I can see why it’s being rejected you know and she she said you need to go back. You need to learn to draw again. You need to go back and draw draw draw don’t write stories.

19:43.15
charukaarora
Okay.

19:51.11
Ruby Wright
Take all the black out of your pencil case I’m not allowing you to use any black and because I did everything with a heavy outline and draw your children draw your life draw everything you can and so that was the beginning really of it switching from me getting rejected only rejected to me beginning to occasionally.

19:51.83
charukaarora
Oh god.

20:10.78
Ruby Wright
Win a little competition or have my work featured on something and I just I dedicated myself to this practice of drawing drawing drawing and with with with ness basically holding my hand and I’d have a tutorial with her. Maybe once every 3 4 5 six months so it was very low cost.

20:16.33
charukaarora
I Love that.

20:24.47
charukaarora
Again, Yeah, of course.

20:28.20
Ruby Wright
In comparison with doing an a in illustration for example and the wonderful thing is you know I got better I could see myself improving. It was amazing and Instagram was fantastic. You know, get that feedback. Although sometimes that’s too much because people really love 1 thing and you think no you want so like I like this.

20:34.81
charukaarora
Getting in him.

20:42.21
charukaarora
Yes, yes yeah.

20:46.10
Ruby Wright
Why are you all excited about that the slightly workout this is what I think and I’m sometimes right? but I’m also interested in what people say and then I got approached by an agent and that was wonderful and then I got approached by a publisher and the amazing thing is that the publisher of of this book that I’m that that’s coming out animal crackers. Um.

20:51.28
charukaarora
Yeah.

21:05.73
Ruby Wright
She said oh your art director on this book will be ness wood. So my wonderful tutor who’d been with me all that time ended up being the art director on the book. So it’s been a really amazing. Yeah, beautiful kind of lucky very lucky journey I feel incredibly lucky and there’s a lot of luck.

21:14.21
charukaarora
Oh wow.

21:22.79
charukaarora
I Really don’t agree with that I think it’s also.

21:23.26
Ruby Wright
Massive amount of luck involved. But I do think you well I think you make that you make your own luck like you make the opportunities and then then there’s more chance walk. No you know? yeah.

21:31.89
charukaarora
Yeah, um, I’m sure I think I think you know here’s my next question tell me something your your tutor give you a feedback but I’m sure something switched in your approach from that point to where you were before.

21:39.94
Ruby Wright
Of it.

21:48.46
charukaarora
Something drastically changed and that changed your actions. What was that what I let’s go back and see like what that moment felt like what was different moving forward.

21:51.32
Ruby Wright
Yes.

21:58.25
Ruby Wright
I think I invested in myself even at a very you know it wasn’t a huge commitment but I thought I am I’m I felt probably my ego was big enough that I felt I’m not terrible I know I’m not I know I’m actually quite good at some level I’m not there yet.

22:07.99
charukaarora
Yeah. Good. Yeah.

22:17.14
Ruby Wright
Something there and I’m gonna I’m gonna spend the money I’m gonna improve and I’m just going to absolutely determinedly go for this. That’s what happened.

22:26.52
charukaarora
And then when you spoke to her. Um, what were your efforts were did you feel like you were it was it I think sometimes it’s someone we know what we’re Doing. We know what we need to do but when someone points it out for us and they show that belief in you and. You know that trust you and you and tell you Okay, you know you can do this. It makes a lot of difference because sometimes we ah we get too much into our own heads that even though we know where we need to go how we need to improve unless it doesn’t come from someone else with the faith Good faith.

22:51.10
Ruby Wright
Yeah.

23:02.54
charukaarora
And also calling you out like you know this is what you need What what was like your stand on that.

23:03.20
Ruby Wright
Sh.

23:08.44
Ruby Wright
I Think that if you surround yourself with people you trust and you know whose whose opinion you respect and who you know have got your best interests at Heart they can give you honest feedback I mean you have to be able to take it I think I think actually being able to take criticism is a big thing and.

23:11.83
charukaarora
Yeah.

23:22.12
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

23:27.97
Ruby Wright
I think I think actually that was a good thing I learned at art school. You know we were constantly having Critiques I’m sure it was the same you and I’ve been in situations more recently in these learning situations doing illustration stuff and I’ve seen people receiving feedback and being very defensive about it and not being able to take it and I think that’s so unhelpful for them because.

23:31.33
charukaarora
Yeah.

23:41.66
charukaarora
Yes.

23:47.70
Ruby Wright
They reject that you know they want people to say you’re wonderful and when we are wonderful but we need we need other people’s we can all get better. Yeah.

23:50.38
charukaarora
Yeah, you can all get better and while working on projects like you know this is something a lot of art struggle with when you know working with commissions and working with projects and come ah come. You know, licensing because. I Think that’s what when people I think people who have jobs have worked on other jobs or people who have been to art schools or just who have had in any sort of way experience of working in collaborations just tend to take it better because they know that. When you’re working on a project. It is not about just our satisfaction and our creativity. It’s also about making goals meet and you know you know declined and anyone and everyone that’s involved So It’s a lot of other people’s take an opinion and.

24:26.83
Ruby Wright
Um, um.

24:38.82
charukaarora
And we all have to come together to create something. It’s just not about 1 person anymore.

24:41.41
Ruby Wright
Yeah, yeah, and I think also we as people you know we change with life and I think I’ve also sort of been in and out of therapy. You know as as an adult. Um occasionally and I find it so helpful having to really sit.

25:02.17
Ruby Wright
Sit with the things that I know are ah difficult you know I think being able to have introspection is is really helpful, not too much I mean it’s all such a balance isn’t it because you know too much and we are paralyzed and we can’t do anything but um, yeah I think.

25:04.34
charukaarora
Ah, yeah, yeah.

25:11.54
charukaarora
Yes.

25:18.18
charukaarora
I agree with that.

25:20.18
Ruby Wright
I Think being able to look at ourselves slightly from the outside I sound like like I do that I don’t think I consciously do. But now I’m thinking about it I think that helps I think it has.

25:27.42
charukaarora
Yes, and that’s true and also sometimes I think like you said Balance. It’s such a tricky word because I feel like we’re all like these into these moments of pendulum that sometimes we go far too left Sometimes we go far to La right? and it’s like a swing that we need to keep keep you know. Making sure like okay there are days like I think I’ve had several experiences when I was too scared to speak for myself too scared to put out what I feel stand for myself. So I complied with what the others expected out of me or what you know what’s around me and I learned that okay you know what. Not everything everyone is saying could be something I have to do or I have to comply by and I need to take that space for myself and build that trust in me that whatever even if I and not I think something else is not being too afraid to fail. Um I was too afraid to fail in the beginning.

26:20.58
Ruby Wright
Are.

26:22.49
charukaarora
And taking myself too seriously which I’m still working on honestly. But yeah, but the moment I realized like okay there are days where I will listen to myself because like being a creative. There is no even people around me feel how insane that could be. There’s no other way around it. It just doesn’t feel like.

26:30.14
Ruby Wright
Yes.

26:41.58
charukaarora
This is what I have to be otherwise there are days where I know that I’m working on a project that isn’t about me and like you know you make some compromises you lose some you get some.

26:51.84
Ruby Wright
It’s true and don’t you find that? um as you’ve made more and more work. You know yourself better? Yeah and I feel like sometimes I can do a drawing and I think it doesn’t feel so much like me and can’t probably pinpoint what it is but I think.

26:58.80
charukaarora
A lot better. Yeah. Yeah.

27:09.78
Ruby Wright
When when you really really work and work and work and work. You become so familiar with yourself on paper or whatever medium it is um.

27:14.70
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah, and I you know this is something I learned just recently um, so in the beginning specifically when you’re going into the finance like you know you have this pressure and this is something I have to ask you. And I’ll park that thought here for a moment but um, there was this pressure of being relevant like you have to make something that needs to have purpose and meaning and like you know so there’s a lot of pressure with that when it’s it’s too fine art like you know and sometimes it takes the joy away and. It took me a long time for me to justify that I probably my first reason to create something is just because I love it I love creating and I’m also just creating beautiful things and I do not have to feel ashamed about it or uncomfortable about it. There’s nothing wrong with that. And even though I love finding. Stories and like um, digging deeper. That’s who I am but I have to learn that it it happens with its own time. So I have I have 3 dogs I love my I love animals a lot I love him and and one of my dog just passed away and she’s like a baby to me like I rescued her from the streets and.

28:20.70
Ruby Wright
Pull.

28:26.36
charukaarora
Like she is. She’s she’s she’s very special to me and while the covid thing was happening she and I I had a home studio and both of us spent a lot of time together like she would. It was just the 2 of us and I would paint and she would be around me and at that point there was this. I have a few tiger paintings that were coming again and again and again and I was like I don’t know is it the woman I was trying to just ask myself too much and she recently passed away and I was going through my past pictures of that time together with her. And I looked back and I realized oh my god all this while I was spending so much time with her and I was I’m so invested in her that all of my works. All of my works were of her me finding comfort in like I had like a tiger which was I took her pictures and I was making like. Tigers from her pictures and even though I felt it was like a reference but when I saw all of them together and I felt like this wasn’t just reference I was subconsciously I was making like she was a part of that work. She was that work. And I didn’t know it then and now when I look back and there are so many days that like you know, probably you just told me that you know you have those spectacles and you didn’t know what to do about it and probably you think that it’s a subconscious decision when you’re drawing something. There are spectacles but probably when I’m looking at it today and when you’ve told me this I know that okay probably this is coming from because.

29:58.62
charukaarora
You saw your great grandparents and you saw them wearing certain things and then you have them as a part of you It just like we put so much of pressure on feeling like we have to find meanings and stuff like that. But also knowing that they come on their own and they go on their own.

30:17.29
Ruby Wright
Yeah, I’m really sorry to hear about your dog that must have been heartbreaking. Um I think you’re right and I think especially in fine art. Of course everything has to have meaning and I think in illustration there’s a freedom there that that doesn’t yeah I mean that that you don’t have to necessarily have meaning but I think.

30:19.90
charukaarora
E.

30:26.64
charukaarora
Yeah I Love that idea.

30:34.93
Ruby Wright
Probably because of the fine art background I Absolutely love it when the images I’m drawing as you say this stuff starts to come out and these places that I’m so familiar with all the people being able to construct this world and put in the people who you miss or who you wish meet even though you know.

30:36.40
charukaarora
I.

30:49.54
charukaarora
Yeah.

30:54.18
Ruby Wright
You’ve disguised them as some parent of a child at school. Whatever in a drawing that is that’s very powerful I think and it feels so right and you can’t in a way you can’t manufacture it the process somehow the process of making the art. The stuff comes out the the subconscious stuff comes out.

30:55.95
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

31:12.14
Ruby Wright
And it’s sort of world buildinging. It’s kind of like what we did as children. You know this make believe world and and here I’m so lucky that I’m able to do it now as an adult. It’s It’s very no, no, no just going to say it’s very satisfying.

31:15.42
charukaarora
Um, yeah.

31:19.55
charukaarora
And you know what I think yeah, you’re right? Sonny yeah, that’s very true and I feel like like we’re saying that you you do not I think we as humans we all have like we all have stories or we all have reasons and emotions like. It’s just be they all reflect at a different time and sometimes like you know when you’re drawing something. It’s just you you want to draw because something attracts you and calls you for a certain reason. It’s just at that point I truly feel like this is something I’ve learned recently with this experience is that. I no longer want to push the idea of why I am making something rather than I would just make it and my work eventually at whatever time it feels called to will tell me why I’m doing this because I fell for the longest and so much pressure.

32:15.25
Ruby Wright
So when you’re um, if say you haven’t got anything in particular, you have to make today. What would you do when you go into your studio. What’s your what’s your sort of how do you approach it? How do you approach your work.

32:27.27
charukaarora
Honestly, on days when I feel like I don’t know why to start I love cutting I love collaging or I would pick up embroidery materials I think that’s my like my go to because um I just feel I’m still too stiff. To you know to pull myself like okay I can do like anything or stuff like that. But for me the way I think I truly truly enjoy working with materials I think that’s my like because that’s how I grew up I grew up in India you know, fabrics and embroideries and like it’s every day part of my life. So I don’t think like I’m making work. For me, it’s ah it’s like a regular practice like I’m just having fun or I’m making something that I’m going to use or something that because I that’s I’ve been doing for the 30 years of my life and I don’t have to think twice but when I open a sketchbook believe me the fear of perfection or like you know.

33:16.47
Ruby Wright
Have I.

33:21.62
charukaarora
How or have to be good at it or like oh like there is so much pressure for me in that and and I’m not ah hundred percent honestly I’m not very comfortable. Still not very comfortable.

33:33.20
Ruby Wright
Yeah, well I can understand that because one of the reasons I did sculpture was so that I didn’t have to do any drawing from life because I thought that’s so difficult I didn’t really ever learn properly I don’t like what I see when I put down on the paper and it was the same when I started illustration and that’s what. This tutor nes said to me like you’ve got to go and drawing. It’s like oh no I knew this was coming I knew I was gonna have to go and draw and um, it’s just it’s funny how long it takes and then and then when you break when you begin to do more drawings that you’re happy with I Just probably still don’t do more drawings that I’m happy with my sketchbook is probably more than 50%

34:08.10
charukaarora
But tell me something here when you are drawing like you know I think we all have a natural instinct. Do you feel like drawing even while you were growing up. Did it feel like even though maybe lose our ways here and there. But.

34:08.27
Ruby Wright
Drawings I’ve abandoned. But yes enough yes.

34:25.97
charukaarora
Do you think you have some you had some sort of connection with what you are doing today all growing up like we just couldn’t connect it at that point. Do you think that.

34:33.60
Ruby Wright
I think I think in as much as you know some children draw trucks and I remember boys at my school drawing war scenes and making the little battle sound as they drew I Just always drew people people in clothes people. Just people and I think that’s mostly what I’m interested in now. So that that the subject matter is still my left are still the same. Yes, Oh yes.

34:55.20
charukaarora
Yes, but were you someone who would like draw things on the back of your covers and like like ah like a person like that because I truly feel like something I think this is something I I feel at least I try to practice is something that feels the most natural to us. I think it’s as while we were growing up while we’re growing. We know our strengths. That’s our natural like we know who we are. It’s just as we grow up. We try to become someone else and then the half of a life. We again, uncovering like for me while I was growing up. Um.

35:16.14
Ruby Wright
Um.

35:30.58
charukaarora
Working with fabrics or working with embroideries working with glitters working with colors was very organic. It never felt like they never intimidated me I never felt that pressure because I had always had fun in that process when I realized okay this was craft or per se what things around you perceive like you know. Felt like okay I needed to be an artist and I don’t want to become like a craft and like you know and I wanted to be taken seriously and like you know all those things so I left them even though I was doing that on the side like if I need to get something stitch soon in India when we get like you know we get our own still our our own clothes stitched and. I designed my own clothes and I would get them embroidered and stuff like that. So it never felt like I wouldn’t I would never be scared of an empty fabric or embroiding material. But when I put that pressure on myself. Okay, being an artist also means like I have to be a regular sketcher or if I have to be like a. Painter I have to use all pains and I think in that process I started to lose myself and then I started to gain back myself again when I felt like when I started to respond back to my materials and today I’m I’m just I just feel like I’m not I’m getting loser in depth in the sense that whatever feels. Natural to me organic I know that this is something that won’t make me feel scared instead will make me like like I am very excited to see where this goes.

36:55.23
Ruby Wright
Yes, I Yes I completely relate to that and I think like you I probably also felt for a long time much happier with things that were not on paper and also yeah I think so and also still I’m quite.

37:07.50
charukaarora
Yeah, oh wow.

37:14.10
Ruby Wright
I Still make things and you know knit and all that sort stuff and I felt I thought I would do Textiles actually for a long time partly because I had a fantastic textiles teacher. Um, and it felt like it felt very sculptural to me so that perhaps I didn’t perhaps I didn’t really see the.

37:15.32
charukaarora
Oh well.

37:26.89
charukaarora
Yeah.

37:31.87
Ruby Wright
Barriers between all the the delineation between 1 thing and another in fact I think I chose sculpture as my degree because I thought that was a thing I could you were allowed to make films and you could paint although I’ve never really never painted painting is something that I you know I I feel very out of my depth with painting really is for proper people.

37:32.63
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

37:43.48
charukaarora
I am.

37:51.31
Ruby Wright
But um, ah yeah I think but drawing was you know it’s funny isn’t it because we were talking about. You know as a child you draw. It’s not a problem and then there was this big ah like you say the wipe page is very um, very frightening but I don’t know what I think it’s just persistence I think I think in fact, this I could probably sum up my whole.

37:59.85
charukaarora
Yes, Gary.

38:10.73
Ruby Wright
Career with that persistence. Although I did give up initial but you know over the last decade it’s been yeah yeah I suppose so although I really did go no I’m not going to be an artist anymore. So stupid so stupid what a waste of a decade I could have been making all no.

38:15.45
charukaarora
Ah, person giving up and getting back is also an important part of persistence I think it’s test of persistence.

38:25.16
charukaarora
And I feel like we all I think we all and we can never choose to be an artist and we can never give up on being an artist. This is just.

38:30.30
Ruby Wright
No, and I was surrounded by people who said you are an artist you just are even my mom and dad. You know it’s like you are an artist even if you don’t call yourself an artist. You just are an artist and maybe at some level humans mostly are all.

38:43.18
charukaarora
Um, and allow that are yes, yes, that’s true. That’s really true because we are all creative. We all know how to create we all create in different ways. But just this definition of the societies of how artists look like make.

38:47.36
Ruby Wright
This really? yeah.

38:52.79
Ruby Wright
Yes, yes, definitely but it’s really interesting to me I haven’t traveled massively in my life. But um, you know from what you’re talking about the culture that you grow up in and the fabrics and I can completely picture. You know as you describe. Being surrounded by that stuff and I remember going to Morocco to a village where all the houses were painted these unbelievably beautiful colors and thinking everybody here is an artist and I went to I went to California and everyone was playing music and it’s like wow everyone here is a musician I’m sure they’re not but there’s this wonderful culture that you get you know that’s very local to specific places.

39:17.00
charukaarora
Yes. And he is a musician.

39:29.99
Ruby Wright
Where our own artistic expression is is um is nourished and I think that’s really important. We should listen to it. Um I you know I don’t fly for environmental reasons. So one day and I have to be with my children home I’m going to take the train and the boat and I don’t even know how to work it out. What.

39:30.22
charukaarora
Yes, you have to come to India and one day come we’ll figure that out.

39:49.67
Ruby Wright
Yes, I desperately but I really would love. It’s always been absolute top of my list I’d love to and I’ve really enjoyed drawing fabrics now. So I’ve realized a lot of more. Yeah yeah.

39:53.36
charukaarora
I Love that I can see that that’s I was just about to say that that’s there something about the way that you draw that focuses on like you know the blankets and like you know little details like.

40:10.37
Ruby Wright
Um, yeah, yeah.

40:10.79
charukaarora
The clothes and like the way the curves of a fabric are falling like it when I saw your work when I see your voic anything that you post I can see that there’s a little there’s There’s this kind of fluidity that is there when you’re making it.

40:23.29
Ruby Wright
Yeah I think and I think it’s partly about the decoration and enjoying the beauty of it. But I think going back to that taking care and the women’s crafts and I’m sure not all the fabrics were made or designed by women but it feels very domestic I’m very very interested in the domestic and the link historically to.

40:27.46
charukaarora
Yeah.

40:41.79
Ruby Wright
To um, yeah to the homes of our predecessors.

40:42.60
charukaarora
I Love that. Okay now I have to ask you a question that has been on my mind ever since we’ve scheduled this which is how do you keep like you know the something I personally feel is as I’m growing and I’m with the world life age. Everything. The hardest thing The hardest I think this is like my ultimate problem which is to keep my inner child the child in me I think I was most creative when I was young I think the potential I had at that point I Just don’t think I’ve been able to taact it like that’s my ultimate goal. How creative and fearless I was. And how enjoying I was and even though my work isn’t so much about it. But it’s It’s a big part of who I am because that’s how I approach you and your work is so much about that like that innocence in you and protecting that child in you and keeping that child alike. Why are your work that also means that you need to keep that child alive within you How how are you doing that? Oh I feel.

41:48.66
Ruby Wright
Well, it’s really nice of you to say that I do that? Ah because if you ask me I think if I was asked if I do that I’d say oh no I’ve lost that but it’s lovely to hear you say that? So I I think being around children is helpful. Um, and it doesn’t have to be your own children because.

42:01.60
charukaarora
Yes.

42:06.62
Ruby Wright
I was sitting in the park yesterday and just listening it was it was after school and the children were playing and listening to their make-believe games and trying to put yourself back in that place and funnily enough. Um some of the exercises I’ve done on various courses and things. You remember you know you take yourself back to that place and you remember who was your best friend and what did you have in your pocket and what game was your favorite game and what was your favorite food and what was your favorite Jumper and you know what trousers would you wear and when it was raining would you splash in the puddles. So I think and I think Therapy has helped a little bit with that as Well. You know thinking of yourself. That child still inside because they are there I think it’s just whether how we access them. Um and I you know what I I dream a lot I have very vivid dreams and I think that some of those childhood feelings come back in in those dreams.

42:57.67
charukaarora
Come back? Yeah yeah, I like that no that is a one I think this is like a.

43:01.00
Ruby Wright
So maybe I just listen to it I Just listen to it. It’s loud in me perhaps and maybe that’s not a good thing I don’t know Maybe it’s a signing immaturity.

43:13.29
charukaarora
This is like a skill a very rare skill is specifically in today’s time where we like we need to keep that child as child in us alive like you’re not only doing that for yourself. Actually when you’re making these books when you’re making these illustrations anyone it touches you know I saw it. You reminded of me of my own self of my younger self and that I think that I think why I love your work is because of this reason because when I look at your work. It reminds me of ah you know it activates it does not activate the adult in me probably. But it activates the child. The truest self of who I was and I’m trying to work on that and get to my own self every day and it talks to that and I love I love that. But that’s another question that comes for me with this. Do you have to say something.

44:04.56
Ruby Wright
I wanted to just say that is the nicest thing you could say that is the you know that makes me feel so happy if there’s 1 reason to make this stuff then that’s it. So thank you.

44:12.82
charukaarora
I Love that So you’re you’re doing I think I think sometimes this is something I Really really love is that sure money all of these things in there are so great like you know with artists the thing is that there are so many intangible. Values that you’re putting in the world that have such huge impact like for for example for musicians like they make music that can help people recover they make music that help people heal um celebrate and so much and yet we’re all not. Credit it so much for that like you know the proper. You know it’s it’s it’s I think it’s just insane.

44:51.41
Ruby Wright
Yeah, and certainly in in the U K You know the right now under the government that we have the arts are so undervalued and it’s almost the only thing that I feel we’ve done that we proud of and it’s being diminished and.

45:04.33
charukaarora
Yes.

45:10.43
Ruby Wright
It’s it just it’s heartbreaking. But fortunately there’s enough people like you and me and um, who just have to make stuff so we’ll just do it Anyway, That’s yeah.

45:16.47
charukaarora
Make Yes, we have to keep the blight going. Okay tell me something This is very personal to me. Um I’m sure you have had a life beautiful life so far. But I’m sure them have been moments of grief moments of loss Pain. What is your work is um, a lot about that innocence and do you think how I’m just interested in knowing that how do you?? How does that come into your work. Do you use that as as an extension or you use that as an escape or like anything that you want to share like I. I Really want to know how that works for you.

45:56.66
Ruby Wright
Yeah I mean not probably not consciously. Although I think probably the biggest loss for me as a child was my parents um, splitting up and I think I think as a child when you’re um.

46:09.57
charukaarora
I’m so snoty.

46:12.86
Ruby Wright
You know a situation happens that you’re not in control of ah it’s very frightening and yeah angry making there’s you know the thing I think we’re capable of being angry and I think I think being able to try and look look after the child that I was then.

46:14.46
charukaarora
Yes.

46:20.73
charukaarora
Yeah.

46:32.79
Ruby Wright
Um, in the work that I do now so having some I think lot of sympathy and understanding for children who are going through difficulty I think is perhaps and even children who are not not having great Traumas you know little children lose their tempers and they’re out of control and it’s frightening for them.

46:46.63
charukaarora
Yeah.

46:52.35
Ruby Wright
All the time. That’s what tantrum is right? So um, being able to be the understanding adult to those little children feels quite important to me I think.

47:00.42
charukaarora
But have you like here’s here’s something so when I so I lost my mom recentlyly. It’s a we I lost her at Kobe to and since then it took a toll on me in every aspect of my life and a lot of my work today has shaped a lot because of her and.

47:07.91
Ruby Wright
Um, I’m sorry.

47:19.95
charukaarora
Even though I felt like I didn’t want to include her but at some point like anything that I’m doing I felt like okay this wasn’t but my work had taken a look. It had gotten a lot more serious because my life had felt like that. Um, but I just and I I it it had gotten to a point where I had got guilty because. Making art for me was a way for me to escape at at a lot of times and process. Even though till now when I look back I know I was processing a lot of things but it it had it had gotten harder for me because it meant that I was also making something that I truly enjoy so heavy and so hard that. It was feeling harder. Um, but I still didn’t have the pressure that anything I was putting out had to be like joy is or like you know, but what I’m like the work that you have I’m sure someday you have like a you don’t have the most wonderful day someday you just feel a seasonal change or like you know has. Have you experienced as an artist someone who spreads so much joy and love in you know that in a sense. How do you make sure that that your personal mode like you know, personal um swings and things like that don’t go there or if they do. Like what do you think about that.

48:37.12
Ruby Wright
Yeah I Think that’s a really interesting question I think in an ideal world. You’d be able to make the work that is about the dark stuff and have that just for you as your own sort of Therapy. Um, and then I think the thing about about. Illustration or making the picture books such a long process so long and slow that it goes through so many you know you have to do initial sketches and then initial drawings and then color drawings and then final artwork. So I’m I imagine in all those stages all the way through there are days where I’ve been lower and that.

48:57.99
charukaarora
Manys.

49:09.55
Ruby Wright
Image might not work but I’ll come back to it again and you know everything sort of goes in the put more positive. Well if you’re work doing a positive book. It kind of becomes more positive so it’s not hasn’t really been an issue and I also think I’m not a very I’m I’m not.

49:17.56
charukaarora
China.

49:23.22
Ruby Wright
I can’t meditate I’m very bad at being in the moment generally and I’m quite I’d say I’m quite an anxious person. Um, and ah but when I’m drawing I go into a very calm zone. So actually the drawing is therapy for me so it it lifts me and I also think I change my mood.

49:37.96
charukaarora
I Love that? yeah.

49:42.83
Ruby Wright
Changes all the time like I can be unbelievably happy I’m not I’m not manic depressive or anything but just throughout the day you know you can and it’s probably to do with have I eaten enough lunch and have I an hour left before I’ve got to leave and I’m in a bit of a panic and you know it’s it’s we are so at the mercy of our emotions but I suppose hopefully. Overall.

49:59.20
charukaarora
Yeah I love that oh my god I can’t believe I think I mean we just got into the conversation. We’ve spoken about so many things it’s already been 15 minutes which is amazing I have so much to ask I think.

50:02.65
Ruby Wright
Um, you know it evens itself out.

50:18.32
charukaarora
Is one of the easiest conversation I’ve had after a really long time so I am very grateful but I have 1 fan segment for you which is a small rapid fire just to have a little bit of more fan. Okay are you ready? Okay here we go.

50:24.66
Ruby Wright
Ah, thank you? yeah.

50:29.41
Ruby Wright
Show. Okay, yes I’m ready.

50:37.86
charukaarora
Okay, so what made you fall in love with art in the first place.

50:41.82
Ruby Wright
I Think it was just all around me it was everywhere I saw it all the time. It was just part of me. It was like part of the it’s like eating So I don’t know if I deliberately fell in love it just was there.

50:52.68
charukaarora
Okay, what has been the most difficult challenge in your creative journey so far.

50:59.75
Ruby Wright
Probably leaving art and then coming back to it again and feeling like I should be doing it and I deserve to be doing it and it just took a long time to really believe it.

51:12.93
charukaarora
Okay, what is the worst speed of advice you’ve received so far I Love this question. Love this question.

51:19.94
Ruby Wright
Ah yes, um, oh gosh I feel like there’s so many things rattling around. Oh I know the worst piece of advice was when I was at ah so I left school and I did my a levels they’re called here and the tutor at the alevel college said. It’s probably not worth applying to a London art college because no one from here ever goes to a London Art College so don’t waste your application so that lack of um I grew up in the countryside and you know lots of wonderful things about it. But I think there was a real lack of ambition and I think that.

51:42.40
charukaarora
God.

51:52.84
charukaarora
Um, yeah.

51:56.57
Ruby Wright
That was not helpful for me and I did yeah wasn’t helpful.

51:57.27
charukaarora
Yeah I love that because this is a very good share because sometimes someone else’s limitations should not become your own limitation I love.

52:07.70
Ruby Wright
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely you’re right? absolutely and looking back I can see he was probably stuck in a place he didn’t ever think he’d be and um, yeah, and injecting. Yeah, it’s crazy. Yeah.

52:11.72
charukaarora
He Yeah, and you’re here. Yes, yes, okay, can you can you recall one of your most memorable event like moments in your creative journey so far something that you feel like is is always on the. That makes you feel very grateful for being able to live this life like anything.

52:34.56
Ruby Wright
Oh I would say I can’t think of a specific thing but that moment where you create where I I suppose I do a sketch from life and it feels like I’ve captured something of what’s there. But also added something from my imagination and it just resonates and you can’t even control it and you can’t predict it and when it happens and you just feel that this is the this is the best thing I’ve ever made and then you do another one you know sometime Later. It’s not yeah so it’s that it’s that lovely delightful feeling.

52:53.12
charukaarora
Yeah. Yes. Yes, and then it’s lovely.

53:10.70
Ruby Wright
Slightly lack of control. You know it’s a bit out of your hands, but it’s not really, it’s in your hands. Yeah.

53:14.70
charukaarora
You’ve put it very well you feel you’re in control but then also not feeling in control but it not and in a good way I think I feel not in control in a lot of situations. But I love not feeling in control while making something because oh my goodness.

53:25.86
Ruby Wright
Yeah, sure. Yes.

53:32.14
charukaarora
Okay, um, how do what is one of your most favorite ways to find inspiration motivation to keep creating.

53:38.78
Ruby Wright
Just go out and draw just go out to a new place that I haven’t drawn before find a bench and draw. Yeah.

53:45.90
charukaarora
Ah, love that okay has technology helped you or hindered you in your pro joining so far.

53:51.60
Ruby Wright
Yes, helped me massively and I use photoshop for the illustration but um, it’s the social media stuff has just been helpful.

53:59.64
charukaarora
Oh you have a fantastic reach. How I mean did you like did you know like did you think that you know with your work. It would go so wide and popular.

54:09.58
Ruby Wright
No I didn’t I feel very lucky because of that. Yeah.

54:16.71
charukaarora
Ah, okay, um, let’s do a little this or that no problem last few questions. Okay are you an early morning or late night person when when creating. Oh.

54:21.76
Ruby Wright
Yeah I’ve got that 4 minutes I’m so sorry. Okay, early morning early morning. Always yeah yeah, yeah.

54:34.74
charukaarora
Early music or silence. How do you create? What’s the best time for you.

54:40.46
Ruby Wright
Music music when I’m drawing um not not out and about that silence. But um, ah if I’m at my desk music when I’m drawing. But if I’m writing it has to be silence.

54:48.96
charukaarora
Okay, inspiration or perfection. What what is your key.

54:54.23
Ruby Wright
Bit of both but no, not perfection. I’m not a perfectionist inspiration. No no, my mum is a perfectionist and she always said that she admired my ability to go that that’ll do.

54:59.00
charukaarora
You are oh well and then.

55:08.23
charukaarora
Yes I Love that because I I I was like I was such a I try So like when something comes to my mind in the beginning. It was so hard for me to go like in another direction I was just so hard on trying and I wanted to get everything So perfect. But now I realize like how important it is to like just let it go it. So can I feel so Good. Oh My God This was so nice through be that is this is this is it’s it’s like just the energy that that you know when I see your work is also the energy that I felt.

55:33.31
Ruby Wright
Yeah, definitely.

55:48.14
charukaarora
In this conversation was just so wonderful. Thank you so much I Really really appreciate before I let you go where can people who are listening to this episode find you support you let us know about the book where people can purchase and anything that you want to share.

56:04.81
Ruby Wright
Thank you so much I’ve been really lucky to take part in this It’s been such a pleasure talking to you as well. Um, it’s been lovely. Lovely conversation. Um, so my Instagram is um at rubyright lino l I n o ruby write w r I g h t funny. Spelling and um, my book is called animal crackers and it’s available in lots of Uk Independent Bookshops . it’s coming out in Canada where it’s called cock anymore. Um, it’s also coming out in China but I don’t know what the title is and I think you can probably order it on Amazon um, internationally.

56:38.59
charukaarora
Love that and I’ll ask you for all these links and I’ll make sure that we add these on our website on the show notes link to your works and the book and everything and if you want to see Rubi’s work her childlike and beautiful. Beautiful drawings.

56:40.98
Ruby Wright
So yes.

56:56.69
charukaarora
You have to go check out ruby’s episode details on the website. So make sure you visit our website and give it a thumbs up and if you’ve loved this episode like what you we’ve spoken about make sure that you let ruby and me know share this episode. Let a friend know if you find this helpful because I know. Like Ruby you’ve said so many incredible things that I think anyone who’s struggling like in different phases of their life I think this conversation would be so helpful. Thank you so much and I’ll see you hopefully soon again.

57:24.62
Ruby Wright
Thank you so much.

57:31.91
Ruby Wright
Yeah, wonderful. Let’s um, let’s do an Instagram thing. Yeah great. Thank you so much charuka. So nice to meet you bye bye bye bye.

57:33.15
charukaarora
Yes, okay 9 You’ll have to hold off you 1 like 1 sec.