00:05.50
charukaarora
Hey, you guys welcome back to the arts two has podcast. This is your host aroka and welcome to the season 2 of this podcast today I’m very happy to introduce you to a fellow artist a fellow indian artist specially um, he also happens to be 1 of the first few artists i. Happened to know in India myself I’ve worked with her and I’m so so glad to have her here on the podcast today like I always share that this year I’m trying to bring more women from different groups countries and especially India and also women who are. Not only artists but have also um, tried ways and are doing their creative projects in the arts I’m so excited to introduce you to shianghi Lada from India welcome to the part but welcome to the podka shivanli.

01:01.32
Shivangi
Hi Charka thank you for inviting me I’m quite glad to be here. Yeah.

01:05.79
charukaarora
Thank you so much you know I was like I honestly I had wanted to bring you um, quite early. But again I thought like with podcasting still being a very new concept in India and arts I I like. I wanted to build a good base before and I started to explore here but I’m so glad that I am here today and I have you here before we get into who you are your journey. Can you introduce yourself and what you do to people who are listening to this episode.

01:38.93
Shivangi
Okay, so I’m shaanggi as charuka introduced I’m a visual artist and I’ve been practicing out for a decade now and so I was always into art as a kid. Ah, it kind of was my hobby and which ended up being um, like a profession now. So I did my bachelor’s in painting from college of art delhi. And post that I pursued my um, fine arts ma in Wimbledon College of arts in London and during that time I realized that I need to have a specialization in some sort of a technique so I did my ma in printmaking from royal college of art London. So this was my academic journey and since then I’ve been doing lot of things actually I’ve been making art obviously but then I’ve also been teaching taking print workshops running my own platform as India Printmaker house um writing about art and.

02:32.83
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:47.93
Shivangi
Promoting my own practice. So I’ve been doing all these creative things alongside making art. Yeah.

02:52.83
charukaarora
Amazing, amazing. Okay, my first question is um, you know it? ah you in the let’s say in the traditional art world. The fine arts specially as have achieved. Quite a few things a lot of emerging artists want to bring on to their Cvs or experience like and like I just want to I’ll also for everyone who’s listening. Let’s say um so I’m going to pick this piece from your own website from your bio. Shianggi is a visual artist and has done a specialization in ma printmaking from loyal college of art. Ah your work has been exhibited at spiraling into the absolute anant art gallery delhi Manhattan ah then you have Singapore your work is also in the v andne museum. So lot of things basically a lot of like emerging artists want to bring onto their um, bring into their own buck. How was your journey of navigating um your way into these opportunities as as a women art women artist. In India especially.

04:09.39
Shivangi
It’s been a very interesting journey. Actually when I self-analyze about it. Ah I think it just happened for me. Yeah, at the right time at the right place I would say but ah it has also and I had no support from gallery. Whatever I have achieved till now has been independently as a working artist. Um I have no gallery which literally supported me in past. So Ah, yeah, because then I realized there are things you can achieve having without having a gallery too. So.

04:30.87
charukaarora
Is it so important this is so important.

04:42.92
Shivangi
I Have always been very proactive in finding opportunities online because online there is literally everything online these days like literally everywhere in the world. Everyone is posting online about the opportunities.

04:49.94
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

04:58.42
Shivangi
Ah, activities, collaboration, opportunities and stuff and I’ve been really actively looking for these opportunities and applying for them. I don’t care if I get the opportunity or not. But more importantly is to apply for these things I mean I apply for 10 things. I get rejection from 9 things. But then I get acceptance from 1 thing which I think is important so ah through open calls I the most important open call has been for me is the acceptance at the international prince center New York

05:32.79
charukaarora
Was.

05:34.88
Shivangi
Which was through a open call I got through it and then there was ah um, there was another application process which they were looking for for an award which they wanted to give to an artist which included a prize money and a residency. Which I think was the biggest opportunity I kind of got and it opened up really a lot of parts for me so that organization really helped me a lot in ways in many ways. So I exhibited with them once and then they somehow.

05:56.32
charukaarora
You know.

06:09.13
Shivangi
Gave me more opportunities so they kind of showed my works in different fairs in New York and through those fare I got connected with collectors and museum people and my works got acquired. So it’s been like a. I haven’t done anything directly I mean it just happened through these other organizations for me. Basically so.

06:29.10
charukaarora
Um, yeah, yeah I remember you were I think I think it was you I remember we we were talking about art Rabbit I think you were the one who first introduced me to this whole world of. Applying and open calls and residencies and like you know I was very intrigued I’ve always been Curious. You know that but I asked Youki How do you get this and how do you do that and like I remember you introducing me to art Rabbi it and you would tell me like you know you sit once a week and.

06:52.57
Shivangi
Ah, yeah.

07:04.12
Shivangi
Yeah.

07:06.50
charukaarora
You know, figure out these opportunities and gonna apply to them and it’s it’s been I mean it’s then it’s it opened up another world for me for a sure and and I agree to that How mess you been? Um I have this interesting question and I want to hear what you have to say about this.

07:15.55
Shivangi
No.

07:24.13
charukaarora
I know we we are speaking after 2 years right a lot has changed in these 2 years especially because of the pandemic and the whole shift and it literally shook up. Um the entire industry especially the art world because and in India.

07:25.13
Shivangi
Now.

07:43.00
charukaarora
Because a lot of conceptions of success and artist and all of that were based on things that were not possible in these in these 2 years how do do you think there’s a difference between who you were as an artist in in terms of your mindset approach towards your work your practice exposure. Two years ago versus today. What is that kind of difference if there is.

08:03.41
Shivangi
Wow and that’s a tough question. Um I mean these 2 year kind of um, made me ponder a lot about my own practice and about my own ideas. So obviously I had so much time to think like.

08:20.87
charukaarora
Yeah.

08:22.90
Shivangi
I Mean artists way think over think about lot of things but then it was also a time for me to think and analyze about my practice and like asking myself so self questions if this is what I really want to work on like do I Really want to invest my time on this or am I just doing it like. You know is it like truly meaningful to me so asking those kind of questions and um actually doing other things as well than art. Actually I did lot of different things than doing art as like I kind of coked I did gardening.

08:44.61
charukaarora
Yeah.

08:51.77
charukaarora
Yeah, oh.

09:01.70
Shivangi
I did some interesting course on filmmaking and on yeah on indian cinema through ashoka university they were doing some online courses. So I did this indian on indian cinema which was very interesting I used to watch like 1

09:03.29
charukaarora
Um, oh wow.

09:09.00
charukaarora
Yeah, courses heyil. Ah.

09:18.53
Shivangi
Old Indian movie like every day. So I mean I Seriously I mean I was making art. Yes, but I think I was doing more other things than actually just making art because I feel um that was a good time for me to also experience. And see if I have any other skills than just art and like yeah just being open minded know.

09:40.26
charukaarora
Not just I mean you at that keep I’ve always said this on the podcast and I truly believe this because in my own I think I’m completing 10 years of my own creative profession in those 10 years I’ve done like a 0 different projects and I I think at some point I was. I wasn’t very proud of it to I mean I felt like I was navigating a lot of things and never like I felt like oh I saw people having 1 very specific part but I never was satisfied with that. But today I do I mean I so so embrace that fact because. We all have like I think with creativity a lot of people see that as one like put it into 1 box but we all have like our our biggest asset is our creativity and we can always ah switch up tools and try new tools and I think our our mediums are only our tools that we can always like. Ah carpenter can always build from a manual tool or like a more advanced tool or like a different kind of tool and this brings me to my neck like my question which is in my opinion I feel like indian um.

10:37.81
Shivangi
He.

10:54.78
charukaarora
Indian art world from what I know has been a little more um, closed when it comes to accepting new avenues which I feel has completely shifted in these two years. It’s been It’s been very eyeopening. It’s been I every day I feel like and as I’m experiencing to. Parallel words because I work globally way more than I work in India and I feel like I can see I can compare the 2 and the whole shift. What things things that have been happening in the past two years I I see them starting now in India and.

11:18.16
Shivangi
He didn’t know.

11:30.47
charukaarora
It’s it’s such a positive sign because I feel like it’s still. It’s it’s taking 1 step forward but I still feel like it’s still very close in terms of approach and and I feel like in some way that also harms artists because artists are held back because of that do you feel like in these past two years yourre approach especially cut off because. Offline like I mean there was nothing that you would people who were dependent on galleries people who who thought that somebody is going to give them an opportunity because there was no scope of those events or like all of those things happening and a lot of new things came up online galleries and nfds. Um, independent artists because when. Galleys were not able to support themselves. Let alone. They were able to support artists. Do you think it has impacted your own approach towards building your own career.

12:12.78
Shivangi
No no. Yeah, totally because during this time. Ah anyway I didn’t have a gallery as such and obviously galleries I had friends which. Kind of pushing galleries those time to sell their works because it had been a while that they didn’t sell any work at all and they were like oh my God How do I survive Now. What do I do? um. And this was the time when so many opportunities you know, started to come up online like we must have seen like cultivate art young art sport and art in War project.

12:46.81
charukaarora
Yeah.

12:50.84
Shivangi
Like these kind of platforms. They kind of like opened up and like artists started posting about their works online on Instagram and started to reach directly to the collectors and you know and actually we we know and like we’ve been following each other’s work and we actually sold few prints. You know like.

12:58.56
charukaarora
Yeah.

13:05.42
charukaarora
Yeah.

13:08.37
Shivangi
They were not that expensive. They were like a less range work. But at least we were selling some stuff online during that time which I think is a very important thing for an artist to you know, have some sort of income coming and they don’t have to like ask other people to support them. Um.

13:24.25
charukaarora
I think I for one I for one sold the height I mean even if I talk about the only as an artist I sold most of my works in the first year of pandemic I I think I released my first online series and I sold all of them I had 10 pieces and I sold all of them and.

13:26.63
Shivangi
So.

13:34.79
Shivangi
Um, yes, nothing.

13:41.31
Shivangi
Um, yeah.

13:43.23
charukaarora
I mean I it was so so unexpected and out of the blue and I had so many features and like things that I would have never thought because I hadn’t really experimented and navigated how things were and I was still stuck in a place that I didn’t feel fully myself and it I mean.

13:49.76
Shivangi
You know.

14:01.16
charukaarora
And I know for a lot of people who transitioned I mean not, it’s not about this or that but it’s about also opening yourself to an Avenue which which gives you more freedom.

14:09.13
Shivangi
Yeah, totally it gives freedom to everyone Ashley and it gives you more accessibility you are not just like constrained to 1 community or a grow but it kinds of the audience opens up for you through like social media and. Through these platforms. So I think it was a great great initiative and it kind of changed how actually even things work now like even galleries and other things.

14:34.42
charukaarora
Yeah, and I’ve also seen like in your own personal journey also in the 2 years I’ve seen you working with very very different platforms. Let’s say carry in use showcase with them. Um I remember 1 more platform. Um, you also won the tf emerging.

14:52.98
Shivangi
Um, so.

14:53.28
charukaarora
Artist Award Um, a lot of like ah new projects New ventures unconventional, not like a traditional galleryby traditional setup. You’ve also explored and I didn’t see you doing that in the lesson before that time or maybe if I didn’t know I may not be be wrong.

15:11.43
Shivangi
Yeah, it’s interesting because terrain kind of developed during these time and during this time of pandemic because the idea of being online and to reach like international audience and because because of.

15:12.89
charukaarora
But how has your experience been that with that.

15:18.95
charukaarora
Yeah.

15:28.68
Shivangi
Pandemic Everyone was so locked down and constrained so this kind of open up the opportunity. So the ter idea is to like have artists from anywhere from the world and it will be accessible to every like they’ll have audience everywhere internationally so they started the concept from that and.

15:46.15
charukaarora
Um, yeah.

15:48.10
Shivangi
I thought why not because you know like why not to be in that platform where I get like I mean it was a good time to get associated with them actually so that and then arts family also kind of you know because of pandemic like artists. Had kind of you know, financially suffered and like anyway there are less opportunities in India the more opportunities the better. There are hardly any like there are only 5 or six good galleries in Delhi and Mumbai maybe 5 more so there are I think 12 galleries I can count on my fingers.

16:23.62
charukaarora
Yeah.

16:25.49
Shivangi
So there are not many opportunities the more the opportunities the better for indian artists. Ah you know, like um, yeah so arts family is one of the initiatives by by Neha which is who is based in London but then she started this south asian award from for artists from all over the south asia and it’s a great initiative because she’s inviting like some really good jewelry people on the board and then everyone see your application so you know your see your bio kind of floats everywhere and everyone gets to see it even if you don’t get get selected. You’re actually seen so that.

16:55.56
charukaarora
Yeah, if you didn’t.

17:02.98
Shivangi
Presence is important I feel and so these kind of ah things are coming up after Pandemic and I’m glad it happened because it kind of also opened up more opportunities digitally.

17:13.27
charukaarora
Yeah I think with every little approach and everything every little I think one one we don’t even anticipate. Um I mean now I even see this in the back end of things because seeing things not only as someone who’s looking but also creating I know.

17:25.95
Shivangi
He is.

17:31.81
charukaarora
We have so showcased someone who’s very fresh and we’ve sold their work. We’ve exposed them to international magazines and have their work published I know that how much a difference just one little opportunity can make and how it has also made for me. Ah.

17:48.87
Shivangi
He.

17:51.69
charukaarora
Ah, you um, let’s also talk about for you. You had these big names and contributions and shows and a lot of people aspire for um, as an emerging artist and. Know how hard it is in India how very little opportunities there are um, can you also share your journey of how you began and how these opportunities came your way or you brought them to your way.

18:24.97
Shivangi
Wow, It’s a crazy question how it began. Okay, so um, you know I feel. Ah I think consistency is really important in. Feel like I feel being consistent is the most important thing doesn’t matter how bad or good your work is how hardworking or not hardworking. You are. But if you’re like really consistent things work for you and things work for everyone all kind of artist I Feel there’s a audience for. All kind of styles. All all kind of art there out there. You just need to find the right people who kind of like your work or promotes them or whatever. Um, so I have been I would say that I’ve been very consistent ah in doing things in the sense that um. Ah, yeah, I’ve been like focusing on my practice because obviously practice is the most important thing you need to improve you need to grow. You need to? Ah, you need to be very honest to yourself to have that voice which you want to express through your works. Even if you don’t know what you want to express. But. Going to the studio making artwork doing things you know, thinking about artwork literally every day that’s kind of consistency and honesty is really important in your work and that has been there with me I’ve been able to you know work continuously and produce works that has been there. Secondly I have not just constried constrained myself to art making but I I always feel that it’s so I need to ah you know with me growing as an artist I need to grow with the community I need to um, together move together with. Everyone I always had that idea in my mind because I think the growth is not just individual growth. But it is like a complete growth I feel so I always wanted to like you know promote the idea of printmaking among the Public. So I was ah you must have seen me taking so many.

20:30.15
charukaarora
And you with this lifeline who introduce you to printmaking.

20:32.29
Shivangi
Artwork schnobs at art studio like art. Yeah, so like I got back I did my graduation in 2016 I got back to India in 2016 since then I did my internship at Harpercalllins I ah I did illustration work there. After that I taught at am to university because for me teaching is important in the sense that even I learn from when I’m teaching I kind of learn I grow as an artist because sometimes some things happen which student does.

20:58.49
charukaarora
Yeah.

21:06.92
charukaarora
Yeah.

21:08.61
Shivangi
And you don’t know how to you you never experienced that because you never did that mistake and now you need to rectify or come up with Solutions. So It kind of like it. It helps you it helps you Grew. So my passion for teaching started. Ah after I taught at Amity and. And obviously I wanted to have that balance where I can have a professional growth in the sense that I’m having a like income coming and plus I can also. Ah, devote all my time in art making so I wanted to have that balance so kind of Artbu Studio kind of worked for me in that sense because I could go to that studio I had my own studios I did my own practice and onite I took print workshops like.

21:54.10
charukaarora
Now we have.

21:56.47
Shivangi
Endless print workshop I did like literally every three months I would be taking a print workshop so I wanted to support this medium because I feel the more and more people will know about this medium the more they understand the medium. Obviously I’ll have more audience which understands my work too. So. I am obviously my work is getting benefited for sure in the end like through the society. The society will appreciate how printmaking works and they might connect with my work and they might end up buying my work So I feel. It’s so so Cool. So.

22:14.65
charukaarora
Yeah.

22:29.67
Shivangi
Um, print teaching has been an important part for me and then obviously applying for opportunities and residencies ah residencies have been really important ah has been very important for me as well because I learned a lot. During residencies every studio. Every place had a different studio printmaking is such a universal medium but literally every studio works differently so it was very interesting to see how kind of what kind of.

22:53.18
charukaarora
Nap. If printing.

23:04.59
Shivangi
Things they use in this studio. How sustainable their practice is and how chemical freee it is and I wanted to whatever I learned through restsidencies I wanted to bring back to India and teach my students and participants about those techniques and share my knowledge with them.

23:16.97
charukaarora
Now. Yeah.

23:22.52
Shivangi
So in that sense residencies have been really important ah in my growth because when somebody recognizes you in a residency the whole community kind of recognizes you So it’s not just like so I’m kind of they’re promoting me in their own.

23:32.65
charukaarora
Yeah, absolutely you so pleaseing yourself commits a group that you feel like you can grow with and keep entering these these connections. These connections are not for 1 time they last your lifetime.

23:44.15
Shivangi
Um, you know.

23:50.73
Shivangi
Yeah, totally yeah, the totally lost because I got so many opportunities after residencies in the sense. Ah I remember going to snap studio canada it was a one month residency. But like after six months I got opportunity from there to write. Um.

23:52.39
charukaarora
And you four with now.

24:09.74
Shivangi
Write an article for their magazine like in 1 of the publications. So I think these connections are art is all about connections networking and I think these connections always last forever and 1 opportunity leads to another and that leads to another.

24:17.35
charukaarora
Yeah, and.

24:25.81
charukaarora
Yeah, how has these a um, can you share something about like um, okay, we’ll come on to that later but I have another question I Want to build that up before I ask that one and I think we also.

24:29.37
Shivangi
So it kind of happens.

24:41.22
Shivangi
Okay, okay.

24:44.14
charukaarora
Hope and about this a lot of times and I’ve been there so I I even relate to it. Um, the traditional part I feel was very um, it’s very hard for artists to have a sustainable. Income. Ah, and I feel like the more the less open we are the harder it becomes of course not at a cost of you know, compromising any basic value system that we all have for ourselves and I think it all it always shifts from person to person. Um, you’ve had these accomplishments and we’ve also spoken about a shift in the whole um in in these 2 years we’ve all seen um, closing down of opportunities rise of more opportunities. Can you talk a little bit about how. Has your own journey been and how do you still perceive to build a sustainable practice that also supports your life pays your bills and gives you a ah, a healthy lifestyle that we all want for ourselves because I feel like. What I figured because I again I came when I came into the arts I came from a different perspective and for me it made I mean it felt very unsustainable ah to not to not have a healthy if not today I mean for artists now that I’m exposed to the world. Um. For any creative and artists. It’s it’s always every um I was reading this article I ah be I had another recording and we were also speaking about this that it’s recommended to have 7 sources of revenue like 7 ways of making money for any independent individual to have a um, sustainable income. Keeps you grounded and I felt for me when I learned about the whole ecosystem in India I was it felt very unhealthy to me because I knew I had to pay my bills I knew that I had aspirations and they wouldn’t be fulfilled if I would have gone that way. How do you feel about that.

26:54.32
Shivangi
I Think obviously like you know, um, in my case, my parents had paid for my education and you know yeah you know, um I was I’m very privileged.

27:03.25
charukaarora
Which is very common in India anyone who’s with me. Yeah.

27:10.66
Shivangi
In the sense that my education was supported by my parents but you know like yeah as a woman as ah, as ah as an individual ah women you need to be financially independent at some point because otherwise like people start ah people start putting. Their um ideas their aspirations on you somehow and being India like so in the sense. It’s a little conservative society and to have my sort of a freedom.

27:33.25
charukaarora
Yeah.

27:47.33
Shivangi
It is very important to be independently financially independent basically to have that financial independence. It’s really difficult in art like I would say it’s really difficult. Um, but I wouldn’t say it’s impossible because I kind of found a way in the sense I found the balance.

27:49.89
charukaarora
Yeah.

28:04.76
charukaarora
Yeah.

28:06.35
Shivangi
Between teaching and art. Maybe if somebody has a better skill in the sense different skills than me For example, for example, you like you have a. Great skillset in designing and photoshop and all these kind of softwares so you have found a balance of finding these commission work through design and then on the side you make your art. So Everyone I feel need to find this balance somehow. If they’re not able to find a balance. Ah I don’t know I’m there. It’s their own journey but you somehow need to find that balance to have so that sort of an independence which allows you to take decisions which you think are good for you. For your own like a creative freedom Free Independence sort of a thing So I’m really glad I can’t kind of found that maybe later obviously um, it didn’t happen.

28:58.88
charukaarora
Normal. Yeah, and I don’t think I feel like not only because women or independence but also because we’re all we we’re all contributing in any in in ways and um to to be very serious and committed to your work. I Mean you have to survive anything it needs to have input for you to even buy supplies or to even like go anywhere or to even take I think a lot of times when you have things at Stake is when a lot of people take things seriously a lot of people are not even privileged.

29:26.30
Shivangi
Yo.

29:41.31
charukaarora
Even grow they need that money to come back to their their account so that they can take that next week and more than any reason we all deserve to be paid for whatever we are contributing in our own ways and um, how do you approach your practice now. Do you think like um.

29:52.51
Shivangi
Yeah, exactly.

30:00.11
charukaarora
Have have you shifted especially with the pandemic a lot of people faced ah scantiness in their sales in their reaches and all of those things and um have you felt like have you made some changes in your own. Own structure the ways or have you found new ways that you feel you could add to your own practice that can make it more self self-sustainable like you said because I think like people who don’t like independent artists as independent artists. It’s our own responsibility to make sure that we can keep our practices going. And not only going we all want to Thrive. There’s nobody who you like if I ask you you want to be successful if you want to be um, great if you want to have all those things that you desire you would say yes if I’m not wrong.

30:53.26
Shivangi
Ah, ah like so I never thought I never thought that ah I want to be like really successful ah artist or I I want to be like rich.

31:02.65
charukaarora
You never thought you wanted.

31:06.70
Shivangi
No I never thought in those ways but I always thought that you know I should have a certain amount of income coming every month so that I can kind of fulfill. The things I need to do like I want to make art I don’t want to ask my parents for the art material I should be able to sustain myself.

31:10.32
charukaarora
Yeah.

31:19.23
charukaarora
Yeah.

31:23.76
Shivangi
Do whatever I want to do. However I want to do and it kind of gives me that freedom you know and so that has been there with me also like obviously you need to do the basic.

31:28.16
charukaarora
Or.

31:39.20
Shivangi
Expenditure obviously as you said that is there but obviously it gives gives me freedom. You know as an artist so and also the third thing I felt is like people take you seriously once you’re owning people take you late.

31:43.40
charukaarora
Um, yeah.

31:48.89
charukaarora
Absolutely absolutely.

31:53.69
Shivangi
The way they change the way they talk to you is so different like I actually have experienced it before when I was making art and I had no income coming in and when I compared that situation with now when I am earning and. People look at me differently. They treat to me differently. They talk to me differently. They kind of I don’t know it’s kind of there. They respect me in some ways I can’t explain it but it changes and you know and I think ah, that’s sort of a thing kind of. Helps you in some ways I feel I Enjoy that kind of a freedom a lot personally. So ah, that has been for me. Um, secondly after Covid I’m quite I’m quite happy that terrain supported me because.

32:34.54
charukaarora
I We all deserve that kind of.

32:48.82
Shivangi
Terin has really financially supported me during these times because they moved their platform online so it was not a conventional gallery sort of a space anymore. So I think my work got more international accessibility and they kind of really I managed to soul.

32:51.10
charukaarora
Oh well. Yeah.

33:08.62
Shivangi
The maximum works during Pandemic which is really strange like I wouldn’t yeah I never.

33:10.90
charukaarora
Yeah, that has been that has been a actual lot of artist if you know a lot of people I mean I in our own community in my own community I know a lot of people who have sold most I include I include myself in that during the pandemic especially in the first year

33:23.37
Shivangi
Yeah, yeah, this this was the most strange thing I experienced like selling the work I think the most works got sold during the pandemic like now when I compare now I’m not selling that Merch works as I compare to what I sold during the pandemic. So ah. Um, that has been so this is the change which has been their post covid basically.

33:50.20
charukaarora
Amazing. Okay, my next question you apart from your own practice you had in I know I’ve seen that you started in I remember her talking about this when you said you wanted to do more with your own practice as an artist and you started. India Printmaker house do you want to talk a little bit about what that is and what your journey has been with that and what you do.

34:16.25
Shivangi
So it’s so very simple, very small platform. Basically I started it 3 years back I remember talking to you about it when I was brainstorming about that idea or should I do it charukah. What do you think.

34:25.31
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah, you.

34:34.40
Shivangi
Um, it’s ah it’s a very simple platform because and I think I was a little visionary in the sense that I always thought of it as an online platform which people thought about it post-panmic. So I was I think I was visionary in that sense that I thought about it.

34:45.35
charukaarora
Yeah.

34:51.15
Shivangi
Ah, for having a complete online platform where I don’t need a space you know? um I Basically the idea is that and I collaborate with different organizations and create opportunities for print young printmakers. So this was the idea.

34:52.11
charukaarora
Yeah.

35:07.80
Shivangi
And we Ila First we started the collaboration with art studios which kind of unfolded the um collaboration with rubbie engineering works which ah, kind of which happily sponsored the printmaking products for the printmakers and then we got a. Parkkshaa Nji on board and awagami paper which is like a big Japanese organization who um, wants to support young Indian printmakers by giving away their Japanese Kosu paper as a gift so you know I think I just feel if I wouldn’t have done this if.

35:28.96
charukaarora
Yeah.

35:45.90
Shivangi
Maybe some other person could have done it I feel it’s just about doing at the right time I feel I mean I haven’t done a big thing. It’s just a small platform. But once you start people start you understand that you know it was just the right time and people are just looking for opportunities.

35:50.61
charukaarora
Yeah.

36:02.30
charukaarora
Yeah.

36:03.79
Shivangi
So a lot of people started to collaborate with us and we kind of so it’s like ah we have started building a small community of printmakers in India. Ah so we run an annual award called manorra my young http://printmarkmakeraward and we give that ah the we have a jury every year. So. It’s a very um, very fair, fair assessment of the works because we have ah every new jury every year so they select artist so we have a winner which gets a residency and price money and we have runnerzov which gets gifts. Sponsored by a rub engineering works and then we have um to a ten fifteen shortlisted artist which we showcase on our online platform. Ah so it. So this is the platform. Yeah, it is currently only for internationals. Yes, because it’s a small platform. We need to slowly build.

36:48.15
charukaarora
Different win for Indian artists only like.

36:57.39
charukaarora
Yeah.

36:59.21
Shivangi
So the idea is to start from India and slowly become more like a global platform. But I think it it takes time. So.

37:05.17
charukaarora
Absolutely how is zero because I know for me the biggest transition was and it continues to be and I think biggest part of my own practice is my own and individual practice as an artist but also arts to Heart is a very big part of my own practice and I take it very like. I I take it very seriously and I understand the contribution. It makes to my everything. It’s give it’s shown me sides of both both ways and it it changes me every day of how how I perceive things and and I think also gives me a very rational. Um, look at what I want to do then emotional because an artist. It’s a lot of foggy area. It’s a lot of gray areas. How do you think has running a platform ah for Printmaker and then being a print maker yourself how has has that shifted your approach or um. Giving you an inside or change something for you.

38:04.71
Shivangi
The first award we ran and the second one. Also we got around 300 applications from literally every part of India from ah the mostuted village or a city is finding these artists. Like having looking their application I think it’s ah such a learning experience to see what kind of styles what kind of work. These artists are making from these different parts of India plus these applications we are quite open-minded in the sense that it doesn’t have to be in english but it can be the local language.

38:39.21
charukaarora
Yeah I love that of you? yeah.

38:41.13
Shivangi
So we get application. Yeah, we we really? Ah, we embrace like you know other languages we get like in Themil thlgu english hindi we get all the applications different languages and you know it’s it’s interesting to see what kind of works people are making. And there’s some amazing printmakers with we don’t have enough resources as a studio in a London or in New York and even in those circumstances they are able to create such amazing works which is really appreciable.

39:04.42
charukaarora
Union 1

39:16.45
Shivangi
So finding these artists supporting them learning through their practice I think this has been a really great journey for me to and to know that there is so much talent in India there is amazing. There is a great talent in India we just need. Yeah yeah.

39:28.24
charukaarora
Yeah I think this is something I think this is something I really loved about India Printmaker was I remember you had the first open call when I was there and I think we all know like in India how. Like this very few we’ve spoken about this how there are very few opportunities and this is we are privileged. We have access to money we have access to shelter resources to do things that we would want to do we know a lot of people don’t have that in India and I think more than that access to a network exposure. Um. That is even harder and when I saw um the work in the people who came from all parts of India and for them to get their work to a network like this and then it’s like it’s like a snowball when you bring someone’s work in front of 2 eyes then 4 and 5 and then you never know where. What goes and I feel like that is such such an important important thing to do because it’s it being brings those people on the forefront for for whom it’s it’s literally very hard. It would take a hundred more steps for them to. Land on to the same opportunity versus when you are creating for them and making it way shorter and easier.

40:50.10
Shivangi
Yeah I think I agree with that in the sense that we are giving them even if we are not providing them a lot but still like having them on our social media platform which we have we might only have 3000 followers but they are literally all art and printmaking people like.

41:05.95
charukaarora
Yeah, and I think Communities a very big support. We I mean as much as people don’t I mean I know how much that the career make in a career.

41:08.81
Shivangi
Literally all of them. Yeah, so they are getting visibility somewhere you know because I remember the last year shortlisted artists now I see when I see their works. They are actually here and there in some galleries and you know the winner. Um. Last year winners work is with some gallery the other some shortlisted artists are showcasing with some other galleries. So I’m sure these galleries are online. Are finding these talents you know so our kind of a platform becomes a place for them to come and just explore if there are some interesting artists. They can work with and so I’m sure it works in those ways and it creates more. It kinds of bridge the gap between the.

41:47.69
charukaarora
Yeah.

41:58.30
Shivangi
Artist in the yeah.

41:58.14
charukaarora
Love you? Yeah, you’ve also recently moved to meter it for a while and we spoke about this initially and you’ve also like have quite a fair share of exposure when it comes to residencies doing residencesidencies all over the world. I remember you flying off to different countries. Every three four months. Um, how has that experience been for you? Um, let’s also talk about um and we’ve also spoken about this before like when we were working together like um, the investment it takes to put yourself into those situations. Let’s say paid residencies. Um, it is an expensive affair. Um, then even if you’re sponsored. They’re still um accommodation if not like travel if not like and the whole idea of moving and all of those things. It’s this like it’s.. It’s discomfort for a lot of people and a lot of people find it intimidating How has your experience been and how do you think has that impacted your career, especially um to make an investment like that you’ve been, you’ve had quite a bit experience with that.

43:12.38
Shivangi
Yeah, um because I have never had a gallery support I had to be I had to kind of like just push myself to for these sort of an opportunities because only through these kind of opportunities I had um. I kind of grew as an artist I feel um art as going for a residency I’ve talked about this to you before as well. You need to find a right residency for yourself. Ah. I just don’t go for a random residency finding a right residency for you and your work is quite important. So a residency which gives you some sort of a stipend something they give you which can at least cover your flying accommodation. If not accommodation if you’re staying at your cousin’s please or something then maybe materials or or um, living cost there. There has to be some sort of a stipend for sure. I would never suggest somebody to go for a full pay residencies I’ve never done that in my career before and I would not strongly recommend anyone to do that unless it’s a really different sort for residency. For example, the 1 in the barcelona I went to i.

44:29.24
charukaarora
He.

44:31.67
Shivangi
Paid for that residency. But I had my reasons in the sense that I came to a new place in Madrid I had no network here I had no friends here literally I knew nobody here and language is such a big issue.

44:37.19
charukaarora
But yeah.

44:47.30
Shivangi
For communication that I had to find a place where I can go and work and I found the studio in Barcelona. It’s a very amazing ah print making studio very well organized, um, the kind of artists go there and the kind of reviews. The artists have left at the studio. I found I thought it would be a really good place for me to go and start somewhere in Spain. So this is the only paid residency I went to but I’m really happy I went to because um, the owners who run this residency are artists themselves and they’re running this for 30 years they

45:09.76
charukaarora
Now.

45:22.73
charukaarora
Brow.

45:25.36
Shivangi
Support themselves by this kind of first structure they have built for themselves so like housing and residency for artists. So It’s artists by artists for artists. So I am. I am paying this money. Yes, but I’m not paying it to a random I’m paying it to an organization where artists themselves So I’m kind of supporting them. Also I’m supporting a printmaking studio as well through my and in the in return these these people they supported me a lot. Supported me throughout my art making they gave me so many ideas they technically helped me out and it was not that expensive residency if you see from a very from a European um money point of View. It’s not that.

46:04.76
charukaarora
Yeah.

46:12.10
Shivangi
Expensive Residence It’s called art and print residence. You can find it online and so I think you I think so yeah, so I kind of I didn’t hard to pay for my travel I was already here. So.

46:17.20
charukaarora
How is it made more sense because you were already there also so you didn’t have that flying cause.

46:28.40
Shivangi
I just had to pay for my accommodation there which they were providing it and the access to the studio so you need to find these kind of opportunities which kind of works for you. I mean it’s okay if it is a paid sometimes but then for me it was. Convenient I was in so already in Spain I didn’t have to travel from India especially for the residencies it kind of made sense to me.

46:44.82
charukaarora
Yeah, and I think I think something very important that you said in this conversation and I think ah, an answer that we get a lot in on arts two hearts or in the ah in the community. And I think this could be such a great point knowing um where you’re investing your money and what you’re expecting out of that. Um, if you already have contacts and resources that can get your opportunities great that works. Well. That means you’ve already entered into a network or gotten your work into the eyes who understand what you’re doing and support that if you’re at a point like yours you suddenly moved from India to Madrid you had no network you had no base to begin with. And it. It makes absolute sense to build that base of network opportunities and to get your work out there and either ways you could have sit like you could sit here and wait for those opportunities someone to accept that for you someone to make that possible for you or you take that. As a beginning step for you to build the ladder and then eventually more opportunities can come you your way and or you can apply them for anyone who’s also starting in the beginning. No magazine. Ah no gallery may come to you because they wouldn’t even know about you to even put yourself into a. Part is so important. Even if if you can afford of course be to residency be be it an open call if you feel and I feel like something I did in my own career I remember when I didn’t know how to navigate and. At some point you you know you need to know where you’re putting your money even if you’re just trying to figure out things I think one if you figure out this is the group or this is where your audience or your fellow creators or whatever you want to be are I think it’s such a good way to whatever means you can. But to find a touch in them and then see how it goes and where it lands you and then I think it’s all I don’t like I completely believe unless you don’t invest in yourself. Nobody else is going to do that for you I mean we all have things in our hand and the more we take it on us. Ah. The better chances we have to move forward.

49:13.91
Shivangi
Yeah I mean India and it’s up to it’s you are taking decisions you are creating work. You are selling all your work and it’s up to you how you invest that money in your own. Passion or whatever you are you want to pursue I mean I could have portter el be back. But then I decided to um, you know invest that money in my residency because it could kind of support me to make my own work and I was so I really want I was craving to make work to have a studio.

49:32.16
charukaarora
Um, yeah, yeah.

49:46.47
Shivangi
So it was such a motivating place for me so you know in the end I made such a productive work I met so interesting people I had such interesting network of artists around me so it was a very productive time for me and I felt like I what.

49:48.46
charukaarora
Now.

50:04.56
charukaarora
My yeah and that’s what you wanted.

50:04.63
Shivangi
I invested I got that in return it was worth my time worth my investment and everything and that’s what I wanted. Yeah so I mean ah yeah, so I feel like you need to. Be sure I mean if you have researched about it and if you think this is the right place and why not like you’re doing it for your own good. So.

50:24.81
charukaarora
Yeah, lovely. Okay, last question and then we’ll go to the rapid 5 um, what? what are you looking forward to I mean especially with so many things happening art world is I think changing at a faster rate than anything else right now. Because there’s been so much new like um so many artists have gone independent a lot of ah lot of creative careers have been successful in the past two years. Um because a lot of time like it. It was one of the things people were craving for be it. Let’s say cinema song artists. Art and I think that was primarily the reason because people were at home and the people who didn’t have art or they had bare walls or people who had um like extra pocket of money and they wanted to you know, buy something that pleased them or people are connecting to stories a lot of things have been changing now. What are you looking forward to right now and where do you think? are you going especially with so many new things happening in the arts.

51:29.43
Shivangi
Um, so this so my last work which I created during my time in Barcelona it kind of opened up a new horizon for me in my practice like practically I did something I was working on an artist’s book. And it’s just very new in my practice like I’ve never worked on an artist’s book before so this is a very new interest I’m kind of building I’m I’m getting obsessed with artist books now. So. Um, and the kind of image I have used in the book is very new than my previous works. So this has kind of created an excitement in me and I want to kind of I have some ideas and images and I’m planning to explore the.

52:07.85
charukaarora
But.

52:21.43
Shivangi
Etching technique in printmaking now. So I have explored screen printing a lot in past people must have seen the works. But now I really want to focus on etching and some really large scale etching works. So my plan is to do these prints and also to make more of this books.

52:38.49
charukaarora
Oh Wow I have noticed I had also noticed something I remember like I saw an animation of your work and I wanted to ask if that was your own because I hadn’t seen that work of yours being animated.

52:39.99
Shivangi
That is my plan for now. Yeah I don’t have a very long poem. Sorry.

52:56.16
Shivangi
You know that’s yeah, that’s my work. Yeah yeah.

52:57.52
charukaarora
And it’s still on your website. Ah did you like is that something that are you like I I just I’m intried. Are you exploring that or was it like a one off thing. What was that.

53:09.42
Shivangi
No so like I’ve always been into different mediums than just printmaking like if you see my previous projects I have done lot of interactive installations I’ve done really small animations. And stuff so I am interested in other mediums too like interactive installations really intrigue me a lot and I always like I back off my mind I keep thinking about how I can make print making as more interactive as possible so artists book is. Kind of a way. It’s like first like a step towards that interaction because ah, having a printmaking book and then making it interactive like like a person is literally involved in opening the book and closing it and you know as like totally involved with the book. That is more like a traditional way of interaction like so this is a starting point but I kind of want to do something more like ah for example, 1 of my last project was about this um Taxidermy bird which was kept on a print and when a person moved.

54:15.90
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah.

54:20.74
Shivangi
Closer The needle moved closer to the bird. The person moved away the needle moved Away. We had like all um sensors and everything in that project. So ah, my future plan is to do something with printmaking and interactive art like I want to. Kind of do something in those lines but I feel artist Book is also one of those like it is one of the Yeah. So.

54:42.57
charukaarora
Man yeah, love okay 1 ah just an extension to the same question. Um, how are you? ah now because you’ve also spoken about new mediums what is your take? Um. With new things like Nfts who which which has come into the market and social media for your own work. Let’s let me.

55:04.81
Shivangi
Ah nf I’m still exploring and Nfd in the sense that it’s I have so many questions about crypto art cryptocurrency like I keep asking myself I agree day I have a new question.

55:15.89
charukaarora
Capacity.

55:20.37
Shivangi
Like how do you get these cryptocurrencies like how do they exist who is making these who are creating these online. Ah, how do we access? it? How do I open an wallet like I have thousands of questions I’m still exploring it I feel see a blockchain for me. What I have understood till now. Blockchain platform is incredible. There’s nothing I mean it’s an incredible platform which is giving you identify. It is kind of giving you identity in like a number to your work so you have a unique id so there’s so very less chances of your work getting faked in future.

55:39.49
charukaarora
Yet.

55:48.18
charukaarora
Um, ah, unique 1

55:58.10
Shivangi
Um, plus you get royalties as an artist like on every seals which is an awesome platform like it’s amazing. Even terrain is on blockchain power platform. But for me Cryptocurrency is a little suspicious in the sense.

56:06.10
charukaarora
Yeah.

56:12.22
charukaarora
Um.

56:15.69
Shivangi
Um I don’t know how long it will last um, ah there is no control. There’s no legalization as such like it take a recently indian government has put 30% tax but it is more 30% is a lot of tax. It can go to.

56:26.72
charukaarora
As our planet. Yeah, yeah.

56:34.54
Shivangi
Up to 43% and it is kind of a move to discourage crypto currencyply from that perspective. So I am I am still not sure about that platform. Um yet. Ah.

56:38.44
charukaarora
Yeah.

56:49.83
Shivangi
I Don’t want to rush into things because all the artists are doing that right now like I want to take my own time and if I want to do an nfd I can do it Obviously it will be something.

56:57.50
charukaarora
Oh your your website. The animation would be such a such a beautiful. Yeah, it’s not on the lot you need.

57:03.50
Shivangi
It is an Nf in the end. Yes, like I mean I can yeah I mean I can kind of digitalize my works in some ways and make an nfd out of it I can always do that. But I just don’t want to do it because it’s the trend because everyone is asked.

57:13.26
charukaarora
Yeah, yeah. If yeah, need to understand on being fundamental.

57:21.15
Shivangi
You to do it or expecting something from you like I just want to do it if I think is the right time and if I want to reach like a massive audience and I want to convey some message I would want to do Then. Um, but let’s see how it goes because right now it’s crazy like people are selling so much on Nfd platforms and.

57:38.86
charukaarora
And what’s your take on social media with your practice now how you use the solution. Yeah I heard that.

57:42.90
Shivangi
Um, ah well I recently recently opened a new Instagram account. Yeah, like earlier I was struggling in the sense like I wanted to show my personal life to my friends and obviously show my works. But then it kind of. Got really complicated with personal and works. So I kind of created a new social media account where I can only only post about the process of my work. Not even the works as such but I want to show people how printmaking works.

58:15.96
charukaarora
Yeah.

58:17.98
Shivangi
How I work ah like how much labor process work. My is so I want to kind of show the activities I’m doing around my work So though that account is more about the process. Basically so that’s the intention. Why I meet that accounts I want to kind of like show.

58:36.30
charukaarora
You can gently see it as another way for you to grow. Um yourself as an artist.

58:37.45
Shivangi
The back side of the art. Not grow as such I just feel that presence is important in the digital age. Okay I have a website but like people there are There’s so many people on Instagram and nobody and everyone has nobody has time these days like ah.

58:56.71
charukaarora
Yeah, so.

58:59.66
Shivangi
Like everyone spends only a minute maybe in an ah on an account like nobody. It’s just like how it is these days so I wanted to have an Instagram account so that if people people if they don’t. Think they have time to go on a website through Instagram They can just see the work on Instagram that was my intention and also to show the process. So these 2 were my intention to open the Instagram account to have my presence to have the presence because I saw that after that I got a lot of um, like.

59:14.15
charukaarora
We just pull it through. Yeah.

59:24.17
charukaarora
Now.

59:31.20
Shivangi
People’s comments and lot of opportunities I got through my account like people would directly write to me on Instagram quickly and they would ask for example recently? Um, the tpd art gallery kind of wrote to me and they said that we want to um.

59:43.70
charukaarora
Yeah.

59:48.42
Shivangi
And we want you to take the our Instagram handle and we want you to show your practice so these kind of things I feel people are more comfortable approaching through Instagram rather than emailing you or like going through your website and stuff. So yeah.

59:56.14
charukaarora
Yeah I Yeah I am so grateful. Thank you so much. It’s been so nice I It’s already been an hour which is quite Unbelievable. It flew fast I am so grateful for you. For having this conversation and for your time and I just have last thing which is a rapid fire if you are ready I’m going to pull up my questions. It needs to be really fast and quick.

01:00:24.55
Shivangi
Okay, perfect.

01:00:27.91
charukaarora
So let me just okay I’m ready. Are you ready? Okay, 1 2 3 1 thing you want to convey through your work in the arts.

01:00:33.62
Shivangi
Yes I am.

01:00:42.91
Shivangi
Wow! This is like coffee with current jewelr or something. Okay, um, um emotions I feel like sensitivity I want people to be more I want.

01:00:48.36
charukaarora
Um, 1 thing you want to convey with your work through your work in the arts.

01:01:00.95
Shivangi
People to be more sensitive and emotional. So I want to touch the sensitive side through my work and let them be more sensitive I Feel sensitivity is lacking these days. So.

01:01:10.23
charukaarora
Love that and I do think your work does that what’s that 1 word that describes you the best.

01:01:19.53
Shivangi
Um, ah okay, um, shy. Maybe.

01:01:28.22
charukaarora
If you promise to do anywhere in the world where would it be.

01:01:32.65
Shivangi
Um I would like to have two studios. So maybe 1 in India and 1 in London yeah nature.

01:01:38.10
charukaarora
Who are with okay make sense. Absolutely your biggest source of inspiration.

01:01:47.75
Shivangi
Nietzsche is my biggest source I Love to I Love to stay close to nature. It really calms me down and it gives me more ideas and I’m more connected to myself than yeah.

01:01:56.71
charukaarora
And I think this has been something that I mean I love I love how being inaugor right now in the past two years especially has given me access to I mean my studio is in like I don’t think I can find it anywhere. That view what anything and I feel like living in bigger cities has its own like I feel like whenever I feel when I’m going back I feel like I don’t want to let go of that closeness to nature which is so precious. Okay.

01:02:26.41
Shivangi
You know.

01:02:33.87
charukaarora
Who’s your favorite women artist from any point of time and wife.

01:02:37.26
Shivangi
Um I like I love Kiki Smith’s work I love louis bourgeviir works umm Seriina Harshmin Nari Muhammaddi ah annam Ben bened. Ah, it’s so it’s crazy like how I love all women’s artists work.

01:02:48.40
charukaarora
We have to list this book now.

01:02:54.98
charukaarora
V.

01:02:57.10
Shivangi
Like it’s strange I ended up liking women artist work somehow Frances Coveredman they’re all like so sensitive so close to me Nancy Sparro yeah

01:03:08.90
charukaarora
Perfect. Who’s you go to person when you’re in trouble or in need of advice.

01:03:15.34
Shivangi
My brother I think yeah yeah I think I’m um I’m very close to my brother and I are whenever I’m depressed whenever I want to talk to somebody. He’s the first person I call.

01:03:17.38
charukaarora
Really.

01:03:23.40
charukaarora
Okay.

01:03:32.96
charukaarora
Wow, He’s also in it say I mean he it’s it would be nice validation for him I feel because he’s also done a lot of so things in his life last time.

01:03:34.95
Shivangi
So.

01:03:44.45
Shivangi
Um, because I feel like in my family like literally nobody comes from a creative background they all of them come from a business background and my brother how I feel is the only one he understands my creative side. Ah because. Even he is kind of lean towards his creative Side. He’s a writer himself. So I feel. He’s the only one who really understands what how I’m thinking what I’m going through.

01:04:06.37
charukaarora
Now.

01:04:15.34
Shivangi
How much thinking my work takes so I go to him whenever I want to talk about something because I feel he truly understands me. Yeah.

01:04:21.83
charukaarora
Lovely. Okay, if you were to meet younger shiangi today. What advice would you give her.

01:04:29.95
Shivangi
Oh ah to be less serious. Maybe more fun. Um less overthinking. Um, and yeah, that’s all.

01:04:46.86
charukaarora
That would be such a different shivangi.

01:04:48.80
Shivangi
That’s all, yeah, totally.

01:04:52.79
charukaarora
Ah, but louder to an artist or more who are you who you are currently loving on social media.

01:05:01.42
Shivangi
Oh okay, that’s interesting. Um, okay, you might have to cut your audio here a little bit because thinking’s almost time to think is it? um.

01:05:12.34
charukaarora
Time Take good advice.

01:05:20.16
Shivangi
I really admire so Grarannie’s work she’s a printmaker story.

01:05:22.56
charukaarora
You will have to all these artists for me in an email. You’ll have to mention all these artists for me in the email or in the footnotes here.

01:05:31.36
Shivangi
Okay, yeah, I’ll do it I’ll do it I really admire Sugras work I think she’s a great printmaker I love her wood cards. Um and her works really inspire me every time I see her work I feel very inspired as a printmaker like and I think she. Ah, as a women print maker in India I think she’s she’s one of the best ones? yeah.

01:05:55.39
charukaarora
Lovely I Think that’s that’s what I love about social media is that no matter where you’re sitting what you’re doing. You can always find like you can you can if you I mean again, how you invest your time and how you look at something. But.. It’s such a great tool to find more resources more inspiration people that you can look up to people. You can learn from I think I have done that and um I can vouch that if you put it to good use. It’s one of the best things that you can have.

01:06:23.67
Shivangi
Yeah I think you just need to find the balance in the sense like how much time you’re investing on social media and how much you’re actually doing here physically. Ah I think that is very important. Yeah.

01:06:29.84
charukaarora
And if you’re consuming or you creately? Yeah, absolutely absolutely absolutely and needing to feel aligned I mean um, it needs to contribute to something whatever you’re doing and if it does I think. We know no generation before us has ah has access to the world like we do today I mean I’m an example I work on I don’t know several timelines with um I mean I don’t even I I can’t do I mean this podcast in is in over 50 countries today. So.

01:06:53.10
Shivangi
Totally yeah.

01:07:06.81
Shivangi
Um, yeah.

01:07:08.22
charukaarora
I mean we’ve we’ve never had this opportunity so that we have today. So let why not make the most of it.

01:07:13.57
Shivangi
Totally agree with it.

01:07:16.88
charukaarora
Last question as a women creative. What’s that one advice that you would like to give people coming behind you.

01:07:29.99
Shivangi
Do whatever you feel like and you don’t need affirmations from other people. Um listen to your mind listen to your heart and do what feels right for you and and stick to that. And don’t get influenced by other people’s opinion and and then just be consistent about it. Yeah and you’ll achieve whatever you feel like you want to achieve whatever dream you want to pursue you do everything you want.

01:07:55.68
charukaarora
Lovely I think that’s a 1

01:08:02.72
charukaarora
Mean that happen. Yeah, only you that ah, that’s true I think that’s hundred percent sang it. Thank you so much I can’t believe.

01:08:07.86
Shivangi
Make it happen. Nobody’s stopping you if only you only your mind can stop that? yeah.

01:08:22.60
charukaarora
That long. Thank you thank you so much I had such a wonderful time speaking to you and I can’t believe you’re reconnecting after 2 years which is amazing but I want to say a big thank you for being here and I really appreciate your honesty your humbleness and the great conversation that we’ve had.

01:08:29.99
Shivangi
Yeah.

01:08:42.90
charukaarora
Um, before I let you go I just want to ask you for everyone who’s listening to this episode where can they find your work if you have any upcoming project that you would want us to support. Um where your website Instagram or anything else that you would want to share with us.

01:08:59.59
Shivangi
So my website is http://shianggila.dotcom and my Instagram Handel is shianggi lata studio you can literally find me online. You can find my works online and it’s there. Um. You can actually I would like to talk about my recent project. So it’s about this. Um, it’s the work called becoming tree and it’s inspired by my visit to a village in Rajasthan Whichlon 111 trees when a woman is born.

01:09:21.20
charukaarora
Absolute.

01:09:36.49
Shivangi
There Ah it. It was such inspiring idea for me a great place and I’m working on a series on this idea I’ve made some prince but it’s still in progress and if you would like to Follow. Ah. Ah, would you like to see those prints. You can also go to terrain dot art the platform which supports my practice and you can also find it on my website. So yeah, and.

01:10:01.00
charukaarora
Perfect anyone who’s yesterday I will link all of these links images of Shimanji’s work um all the links that she’s mentioned in the show. No so you you you can go to our website and you’ll find everything. And all links attached to the show notes.

01:10:21.42
Shivangi
Yeah, and thank you so much shaka for inviting me. Ah, it’s been such a pleasure talking to you and seeing you after so long and um I’m I’m really I’m really happy that you’re doing Ah, you know you have started as platform and you’re doing such great work.

01:10:29.68
charukaarora
Yeah, premia.

01:10:39.50
charukaarora
Thank you so much. Thank you I Hope to see you soon again.

01:10:41.21
Shivangi
So Really appreciate that. Yeah. See you by? yeah.